barbara desoer, someone i don't know much about, but she's apparently in this mix as well. so what senior people at b of a are telling me, bob, is those five people -- one of those five people are likely if something major happens to succeed ken lewis. now, the question is when does that come? and i've been asking that question now for the last couple days. and what they say is this. listen, he wanted to leave on a good note. obviously, this s.e.c. settlement is not the best note to leave on. and that means return to sort of standard profitability for the firm. repay the tarp money, get out frunder the government's shadow and return -- b of a into more of a self-contained unit, not a government-run bank. when that happens, you know, people talking about a year. now, i will say this, bob, and here's the caveat here. when you see a story like this with this lack of disclosure, you know, sometimes the centrifugal forces which could move out the ceo faster. remember, they had board member changes recently. this is kind of a dicey situation. but i'm telling you that's -- clearly