the way i approach this is inspired by the way the barbara jordan's immigration commission back in the 1990's -- barbara jordan was a civil rights icon who was the head of an immigration commission and released a report, and one of the basic insights was that instead of picking a number from the top, and, sort of, taking -- making immigration policy shoehorn into that, was to go up from the bottom. in other was, decide what categories of people should be let in, and then letting them all in every year, so what that means is how do you define who gets in. just to give you the 30-second response from my perspective, it -- on modern society does not actually need any immigration at all but that does not mean zero immigration but zero based budgeting for immigration. you start at zero, and then what are the categories of people that i think should be let in anyway? the first ones would be husbands, wives, and little kids of american citizens. everyone agrees that as long as that is legitimate -- and there is obviously a lot of fraud there -- but as long as that is legit you should be able

the way i approach this is inspired by the way the barbara jordan's immigration commission back in the-- barbara jordan was a civil rights icon who was the head of an immigration commission and released a report, and one of the basic insights was that instead of picking a number from the top, and, sort of, taking immigration policy fit in -- shoehorn it into that, was to go up from the bottom. in other was, decide what categories of people should be let in, and then letting them all in every year, so what that means is how do you define who gets in. just to give you the 32nd response from my perspective -- 30-second response from my perspective, it does not mean zero immigration, but zero based budgeting for immigration. you started zero, and then what are the categories of people that i think should be let in any way. the first ones would be husbands, wives, and little kids of american citizens. everyone agrees that as long as that is legitimate -- and there is obviously a lot of fraud there -- but as long as that is legit you should be able to bring in someone you married from overse