but we will not see or feel -- i spoke to barbara lee earlier about this. take on it. >> sometimes, it presents a dilemma. i will tell you one thing, some of the provisions will be felt immediately, in terms of the inflation reduction act. sometimes the wheel of democracy, they are slow. we are pushing as hard as we can, this is our government, it is the system of government. we are working hard to streamline all of these initiatives, so that benefits can be felt as quickly as possible. the american people deserve that. >> david do you agree with that? >> i think you get some of the benefits of this bill, -- there will still be paying attention to what devices are. gestation -- those will have dominant impacts [inaudible] about 26 or so. i think 18, are in republican-leaning seats. but it happens in those districts, whether the [inaudible] using abortion as an issue, to play well in kansas, it could have an impact there. [inaudible] the committee has put, on what has happened with donald trump. all of these are factors that give democrats something to talk

joining me now is democratic congresswoman barbara lee of california. sswoman lee, what will the inflation reduction act mean for your constituents? >> it's nice to be with you, charles, and thank you for laying out the enormous and excellent work that the biden administration has put forth with, of course, primarily our democratic congress, under speaker pelosi's leadership. and remember, this has been, in the midst of a covid pandemic, everything you laid out and more has been done. right now, with his inflation reduction act, we are going to see, first of all, senior citizens, who pay enormous sums of money for their prescriptions, will now have a cap of no more than $2,000 a year. this is certainly life affirming and will really help our senior citizens. secondly, we finally, finally have a 35-dollar cap on insulin. but that's only for medicare recipients, which is a good thing. it is a first start. and i'm really pleased that we were able to get that in. but we have got to make sure that people who have private insurance now have access to insulin,

congresswoman barbara lee, thank you very much.ll have you back, because this conversation about abortion is ongoing. i know we did not get that to that today, but we will talk about it. it's key to the midterms. thank you. >> thank you very much. people are going to vote for their personal liberties and freedoms. thank you very much, simone. >> thank you. pierre next, we will talk about the cdc, because they say you don't need to social distance or even quarantine if you have been exposed to covid-19. this, plus we are going to get to the latest on the monkeypox vaccine shortage. all that next. stay with us. e shortage all that next. stay with us stay with us we really had our hands full with our two-year-old. yeah, so naturally, we doubled down with a new puppy. sure, they're twice as cute together, but now we've got double the stains and double the odors. thankfully, we also have new tide ultra-oxi with odor eliminators. it can handle double trouble, because it's the #1 stain fighter. and the #1 odor remover. i thought you guys

she reached out to barbara lee for advice and she said you know, how was it? how did you handle the hate from your congressional? colleagues when you voted against the bill that would allow presidents to basically declare war without congressional approval after 9/11. and barbara lee said something like you put your stake in the ground and you stand by it and you wait till everybody else comes to you. and so i i see her. the vote against bill back back better. she knew was going to pass. so it was in a way it was. it was putting her stake in the ground. and asserting her position in order to make a point and we'll see, you know, we'll see. whether how that goes down over time. okay, we have i think something like 10 minutes. we have questions from the audience. i can read them. actually. that might be just very easiest. here's a good one. i have deep respect for aoc, but i live in a republican area. she's hated here. does she understand that our ultra progressive ideas are deeply unpopular and large areas of the country and help to turn people away from the de

senator ed markey, senator raphael warnock, senator john cornyn, john cline born, representative barbara lee, representative danny davis, chair drew a speedy and sheila jackson lee. and miss opal. . . you should have my chair. it's open? the first one? [applause] >> you've got to make sure. . there you go. >> thank you, mister president. >> thank you, mr.. president >> thank you, so much. thank you. i've got three, more of that to me more in my name. the oh, i am sorry. there it is, there's the man. texas, it's in texas. any buddy else? >> yes representative davis. >> davis, yes i'm sorry man. davis. all right. [applause] it is election day next, mister president? is election day next? . mister president, is the plan to sign a new election day national holiday? [inaudible] [applause] ladies and gentlemen, please remain seated while the vice president on the president depart. thank you. ♪ ♪ ♪ . ♪♪ ♪♪ >> ladies and gentlemen please ladies and gentlemen, please remain seated while the president and the vice president depart. thank you. . [inaudible conversations] when congress returns from its

. >> and up next a congresswoman barbara lee weighing in after the fbi executed search warrant at mar a lago. what she has to say. kron 4 news at 10 returns. >> new details tonight after the fbi executed a search warrant at former president donald trump's home in florida. court documents show the fbi removed 11 sets of classified records from trump's mar-a-lago estate. some even labeled as sensitive compartment id information, which is a special category meant to protect the nation's most important secrets. the former president says he didn't do anything wrong and he's being treated unfairly. >> president trump himself stopped by and said, you know, whatever you want to feel, let us know. we're happy to facilitate it. and we did everything we could to be cooperative. >> well, tonight, the new york times is reporting that lawyers for the former president signed a letter in june asserting that there were no more classified documents stored at the mar-a-lago residence. >> congresswoman barbara lee did join kron. 4 news this morning. sharing her take on the investigation. >> this is a nat

congresswoman barbara lee, in fact represents oakland join kron 4 over the weekend to talk about what this means for people here in the bay area. >> you know, climate change is real my and so we have provisions really to create good paying jobs in the clean energy sectors. secondly, when you look at my district, i have senior citizens who are struggling. this is going to reduce the cost of their prescription drugs to where they will not have to pay thousands of dollars for their drugs. we have a limit of $2000 a year. they will be able now to see the costs overall in the long specific drugs being re, the price be reduced because will have the ability negotiations with big pharma. >> and if you'd like to hear more from congresswoman barbara lee's interview, we have the entire interview on our website at kron 4 dot com. >> well, a national news this morning. lawmakers are calling on the department of justice to release more information about the fbi search of president trump's home. yeah. washington correspondent reshad hudson joining us live from dc with more on all of this. good morni

including our very own congressman barbara lee, who is showing a lot of leadership over the years.there is other issues too. bread and butter issues like the economy, are very important to women of color right now. the cost of food, the cost of housing. safety is another big one. when you look at women of color who are the base of the democratic party, the most loyal voters of the democrats and the fastest growing block of voters. it is important to understand where people are at. safety mean something different to women of color. it means protection. it means changing the criminal justice system and policing. that way our community and women feel safe. understanding those and being able to indicate out and a report that comes out in a few weeks, that is going to be very helpful, not only to people who are on the ballot now, but setting the stage for the elections in '24 and beyond. that is to really make women of color seen and heard in a new way. >> what are the races in california that are catching your eye and are of particular interest in this particular group, women of color?

congresswoman barbara lee who represents oakland join kron 4 over the weekend to talk about what this means for people right here in the bay area. >> you know, climate change is real my and so we have provisions really to create good paying jobs in the clean energy sectors. secondly, when you look at my district, i have senior citizens who are struggling. this is going to reduce the cost of their prescription drugs to where they not have to pay thousands of dollars for their drugs. we have a limit of $2000 a year. they will be able now to see the costs overall in the long specific drugs being re, the price be reduced because they'll we'll have the ability negotiations with big pharma. >> all right. well, if you like to hear more from the congresswoman, we have that entire interview over on our website at kron 4 dot com. in national news. lawmakers are calling on the department of justice to release more information about the fbi search of trump's home. washington correspondent reshad hudson joins us live with the latest. good morning. were shot. >> rain a good morning. we learned from

congresswoman barbara lee taking to social media saying the conviction was absolutely disgraceful and that griner should be home with her wife and loved ones but is instead being used by russia as a political, i think for most americans to think of someone receiving a 9 year prison sentence for a small amount of cannabis. >> it's shocking criminal attorney and legal analyst steve clarke says because of griner's high profile. >> her trial was more political than criminal. he believes russia is taking advantage of the situation and a prisoner swap with the u.s. might be the solution. it is a dangerous political game that's being played, though, because you could encourage other countries to hold americans in the show trials. >> for high criminal sentences seeking some diplomatic avenue to a release. the prisoner, despite president biden denouncing griner's sentence in calling it unacceptable. the president of san francisco pride says the response from the federal government has been shameful pointing to griner being black and a a statement reads in part. >> too little too late intervent

the counsel and the friendship of our other chair emeritus that's with us today, representative barbara lee. [applause] ms. lee: thank you very much. and also thank you for your tremendous leadership on so many fronts. and also for your magical ability, this is a magical day. [laughter] i want to say to our chair, ms. jayapal, i have to thank you for your tenacious leadership, the months of putting the pressure on as it relates to build back better. but also your negotiations. and i had the privilege to work for congressman, a great warrior, i remember when the progressive caucus was formed and i served as co-chair, i think it was about six years with congresswoman lynn woolsey, and i want to say, you have realized the dreams of so many who came here to congress for the strength and power of the progressive caucus to be seen and you've done that. so thank you all very much. and let me just thank all of the millions of volunteers and activists and advocacy groups who lay the groundwork for these. this is your victory as much as it is ours. this country has never worked for everyone equally.

congresswoman barbara lee told us her mother worked with mary mcleod bethune.eatty, your grandmother or your mom? so, her family, for a number of generations, and i am sure many other members will have their stories about their association. since the announcement of the statue them members -- they members have been identifying them. she had many friends, whether she realized it or not. how poetic that dr. bethune replaces a little-known confederate general, trading a traitor for a civil rights hero in the capitol of the united states. thank you, florida. [applause] let us recognize again the sculptor who breaks another barrier, as was mentioned, as the first hispanic artist to have a sculpture in the statuary hall collection at the capitol. nilda comas. [applause] welcoming the statue is such a privilege for all of us. i visited the place where the statue was carved. the leader mentioned it was the material of michelangelo and many great renaissance artists. the people there like us are celebrating that they have a statue in capitol of the u.s.. welcoming the s

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congresswoman barbara lee taking to social media saying the conviction was absolutely disgraceful and that griner should be home with her wife and loved ones but is instead being used by russia as a political, i think for most americans to think of someone receiving a 9 year prison sentence for a small amount of cannabis. >> it's shocking criminal attorney and legal analyst steve clarke says because of griner's high profile. >> her trial was more political than criminal. he believes russia is taking advantage of the situation and a prisoner swap with the u.s. might be the solution. it is a dangerous political game that's being played, though, because you could encourage other countries to hold americans in the show trials. >> for high criminal sentences seeking some diplomatic avenue to a release. the prisoner, despite president biden denouncing griner's sentence in calling it unacceptable. the president of san francisco pride says the response from the federal government has been shameful pointing to griner being black and a a statement reads in part. >> too little too late intervent

congresswoman barbara lee did join kron. 4 news this morning to share her take on the investigation. >> this is a national security issue. that must be a investigated and that the public has a right to know what types of activities this. former president engaged in. this is serious. we don't know what i'm curious want to know. i think the public makes know what in the world was he going to do with these top secrets? was going to share them with foreign governments. who knows. but i think the investigations extremely important and i believe once again, we need to reiterate that no one is about the lot. >> the warrant details federal agents were investigating potential violations of 3 federal laws, including one under the espionage act. >> meantime, the former president's company and longtime chief finance officer are ordered to stand trial on tax fraud charges in the fall. the trump organization is accused of giving cfo allen weisselberg more than 1.7 million dollars in off the books. compensation, including rent car payments and school tuition. jury selection is scheduled for october

congresswoman barbara lee taking to social media saying the conviction was absolutely disgraceful and that griner should be home with her wife and loved ones but is instead being used by russia as a political, i think for most americans to think of someone receiving a 9 year prison sentence for a small amount of cannabis. >> it's shocking criminal attorney and legal analyst steve clarke says because of griner's high profile. >> her trial was more political than criminal. he believes russia is taking advantage of the situation and a prisoner swap with the u.s. might be the solution. it is a dangerous political game that's being played, though, because you could encourage other countries to hold americans in the show trials. >> for high criminal sentences seeking some diplomatic avenue to a release. the prisoner, despite president biden denouncing griner's sentence in calling it unacceptable. the president of san francisco pride says the response from the federal government has been shameful pointing to griner being black and a a statement reads in part. >> too little too late intervent

congresswoman barbara lee who represents oakland actually had a chance to join kron 4 over the weekendin the bay area. >> you know, climate change is real my and so we have provisions really to create good paying jobs in the clean energy sectors. secondly, when you look at my district, i have senior citizens who are struggling. this is going to reduce the cost of their prescription drugs to where they will not have to pay thousands of dollars for their drugs. we have a limit of $2000 a year. they will be able now to see the costs overall in the long run specific drugs being re, the price be reduced because will have the ability negotiations with big pharma. >> if you'd like to hear more from the congresswoman, we have the entire interview on our website at kron 4 dot com. >> coming up on the kron, 4 morning news residents in livermore came out this weekend to stuff the cruiser. more on the annual back to school supplies drive hosted by the police department will by the police department will be right back after the break. by the police department will be right back after the break. hmm

congresswoman barbara lee who represents oakland join kron 4 over the weekend to talk about what this actually means for us here in the bay area. take a listen. >> you know, climate change is real my and so we have provisions really to create good paying jobs in the clean energy sectors. secondly, when you look at my district, i have senior citizens who are struggling. this is going to reduce the cost of their prescription drugs to where they will not have to pay thousands of dollars for their drugs. we have a limit of $2000 a year. they will be able now to see the costs overall in the long specific drugs being re, the price be reduced because will have the ability negotiations with big pharma. >> all right. well, if you would like to hear more from the congresswoman, we have that entire interview over on our website. the kron 4 dot com. >> time now is 8. 21. and in national news this morning, republican lawmakers are calling on the department justice to release more information about that fbi search of former president donald trump's home in florida. exactly. washington correspondent

east bay congresswoman barbara lee released a statement today reading in part millions across the country will now benefit from $10,000 in debt cancelation and extended payment pause through the end of the year, and most notably $20,000 in debt cancelation for pell grant recipients who are overwhelmingly black. this is the culmination of the tireless work of activists at advocates and organizations. fighting for economic justice, and you can find more information about the student loan forgiveness program on our website, including a breakdown of who's eligible. just head to ktvu dot com. figures out today give another indication the housing market is slowing, the national association of realtors says pending home sales fell last month by 1% compared to the same time last year. home sales have dropped eight out of the last nine months due to rising mortgage rates and low inventory taking a look at wall street lot of green on the board today as stocks did finish higher breaking out of a three day declined. the dow climb nearly 60 points. the nasdaq was up 50 and the s and p 500 gained 12 po

congresswoman barbara lee taking to social media saying the conviction was absolutely disgraceful andgriner should be home with her wife and loved ones but is instead being used by russia as a political, i think for most americans to think of someone receiving a 9 year prison sentence for a small amount of cannabis. >> it's shocking criminal attorney and legal analyst steve clarke says because of griner's high profile. >> her trial was more political than criminal. he believes russia is taking advantage of the situation and a prisoner swap with the u.s. might be the solution. it is a dangerous political game that's being played, though, because you could encourage other countries to hold americans in the show trials. >> for high criminal sentences seeking some diplomatic avenue to a release. the prisoner, despite president biden denouncing griner's sentence in calling it unacceptable. the president of san francisco pride says the response from the federal government has been shameful pointing to griner being black and a a statement reads in part. >> too little too late intervention by

in response to the student loan forgiveness plan announcement, oakland congresswoman barbara lee released a statement that reads in part. this is a great news is great news for millions of students across the country with debt, especially the nearly one million pell grant recipients in california. more action is needed to provide relief to borrowers who have been disproportionately overwhelmed with student loan debt as a real result of an inequitable education system. she also said, we must continue fighting until students everywhere are debt free, and everyone has an equal opportunity at the american dream. after the president's announcement, many borrowers were kept in suspense while trying to access the federal student aid website. wording on the loading page read. student aid dot gov is experiencing high volumes of visitors. the delay, probably painstaking for those wanting to find out just how much they owed in student loans. it took us a few minutes to get into the website, and when we did, there was a note at the top that read. a lot of people are interested in our website. as a re

congresswoman barbara lee taking to social media saying the conviction was absolutely disgraceful and that griner should be home with her wife and loved ones but is instead being used by russia as a political, i think for most americans to think of someone receiving a 9 year prison sentence for a small amount of cannabis. >> it's shocking criminal attorney and legal analyst steve clarke says because of griner's high profile. >> her trial was more political than criminal. he believes russia is taking advantage of the situation and a prisoner swap with the u.s. might be the solution. it is a dangerous political game that's being played, though, because you could encourage other countries to hold americans in the show trials. >> for high criminal sentences seeking some diplomatic avenue to a release. the prisoner, despite president biden denouncing griner's sentence in calling it unacceptable. the president of san francisco pride says the response from the federal government has been shameful pointing to griner being black and a a statement reads in part. >> too little too late intervent

barbara starr and mj lee, thank you very much. >>> also tonight, sources are telling cnn that the houseeaker nancy pelosi is expected to visit taiwan on her current trip to asia. that despite strong objections from china, which claims the island and at a time of increasing tension right now, between beijing and washington. let's get some more from our national security correspondent kylie atwood. china is now warning there will be grave consequences if speaker pelosi make this is high stakes visit to taiwan. how is the state department handling this very, very delicate issue? >> wal they're saying there would be grave consequences and showing off their military assets in a propaganda video that they put out today. really increasing the rhetoric from china in recent hours. and what the bobiden administras trying to do is reduce the temperature and the secretary of state saying this is not unpress accidented for the house speaker to visit taiwan saying that other members of congress have visited saying that there was a previous house speaker who visited taiwan. of course, we should note t

destroy thought, that's what we'll do. least darlene spark would get it this lee is makena didn't to my mother in ah, yes, barbara. both of them, the environmental agency has frozen operations on my land. my entire property. if anyone wants to buy 500 hector's of crosland, i sell it for 2000000 leash young. now i put off of that in to another piece of land next door or a bit farther away and clear that will then they freeze operations and i to what's the point? less than $500.00 hector's 1200 to clear to land anyway. bob elementary, it's a real industry land grabbing in areas of state and rain forest means the brazilian people are gradually being expropriate is neil it's um and then there's the clear cutting which land grab has used to solidify that illegal occupation. it's the worst thing that can happen with the public property is appropriated and the rain forest is caught down me and since it's all illegal that keeps away, honest investor, the sky that's good for land grab has been bad for brazil to the bank. but as you said, shush ultimately mono must be stay shackleton started. uh huh. no. by his official fi

her story is told in a book by lee stout entitled a matter of simple justice the untold story of barbara franklin and a few good women and the secretary will be available and signing copies of that book in the library's gift shop immediately after this program. she served on the boards of 14 public companies and was one of the first women graduates of the harvard business school. in fact time magazine named her one of the 50 women who made american political history. secretary is joined this morning in conversation by heath hardage lee and historian curator and biographer who is currently at work on the first commercial work on first lady patnixon to be published in nearly. years she is the author of the league of wives the untold story of the women who took on the us government to bring their husbands home from vietnam published by saint martin's press in 2019. would you please join me in welcoming secretary franklin and heath lee hello. lovely to be with you again. so like you're sunny, california. i'm gonna start with a few context setting remarks about title nine and then the secreta

lee is makena. oh good. it's my mother. in there, the barbara with environmental agency has frozen operations on my mind. my entire property. if anyone wants to buy 500 hector's of crosland, i sell it for 2000000 leisha young. now i put half of that into another piece of land next door or a bit farther away and clear that will then they freeze operations. and that to the point less than a $500.00 hector's $1200.00 to have cleared the land. anyway, a elementary, it's a real industry land grabbing in areas of state and rain forest means the brazilian people are gradually being expropriated is neil. it's um and then there's the clear cutting it, which land grab is used to solidify that illegal occupation. it's the worst thing that can happen was public property is appropriated and the rain forest is caught down a and since it's all illegal, keeps away honest investors. that's good for land grabbers and bad for brazil to the bank, but as usable shush ah lovely moment missy and shackleton started. uh huh. go by says official fines and flames for damages aren't enough. we have to respond quickly and forcefully

sponsors of the 2006 law, it was the betty lou haber bill, as well as the rosa parks and barbara jordan bill, in 2006. ms. lee, for five minutes. >> thank you for reminding us of that moment in history. i was pleased to be able to add my predecessor and mentor, barbara jordan's named to that bill, in terms of this absolute unity between republicans and democrats. i was crushed last night about 10:30 p.m., as the sinister act was performed on the floor of the u.s. senate, and that is the defeat of a talking filibuster that would've led to the opportunity for the passage of the voting rights act. in the words of dr. king, paraphrased, justice was crushed, and certainly the righteousness of rolling waters did not exist. i believe it is crucial for this hearing today but also to take up the words of the president of the naacp, we are not finished, we will continue, and my recommendation is for the senate to institute debate and to continue to place this on the floor of the u.s. senate, until this is passed. we are on a boat that is going nowhere, if we continue on the pathway that we are. let me start by saying t

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barbara goober, i get our kudos. i don't know if i can using the language if you chose one, rob lee. yeah. judge college been a lady so vibrant, so clearly. so kind. right. so by the way i should mention, oh, there she is. we were just talking about you. sarah has just joined us as a lady that matthew was speaking so generously about. she unfortunately was late because of lagos traffic, but we understand and welcome. so we were just recapping what happened during the protest and i sort of as to what you know, in the long term and in the short term, what was achieved we heard from matthew is that he still feels fearful, unfortunately. but he boasted because of people like you, so what would you say keeps you so brave and encouraging people like matthew, the use of language area are very free to extremely brief. so the thing is, the protest happen year, but i've, we actually got in won't be needed. we've gotten some part of it. but we still need more. and we are able, and we are proud of. we're able to get about 200 families. we're able to get them justice and they can just do that. i

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lee out of this building and put in barbara john's who at 15 years old, started a movement that led to what we now as brown versus board of education of topeka kansas. and then virginia started something in arkansas and those of us who are old enough to remember, little rock nine. supervised by desi bates in arkansas is going to put the statue of desi bates here in this building. [applause] now i've got to start a movement. see if we can get an african-american man to join these african-american women. [laughter] but let me thank all of you, thank you so much. i know he's going to be introduced but i want to thank bill daley. we got to know each other when he was in the administration of bill clinton and when he became chief of staff, i don't know why he called me one day and asked would i sit down with him, i had no idea what he wanted. i went to his office and sat down. he didn't want anything. he just sat down to talk and started the relationship. and when we decided that on her way to washington, mary mcleod bethune should stop in maysville, south carolina, and they told me how muc