we had in cincinnati biden show up talking about barbarians. as a conservative, i like a red meat bloody debate. the problem is when republicans engage in some of the twisted rhetoric of the democrats, they are lectured by the president not to do. when democrats do it, obama is one of those guys two people begin to fight pretending he had nothing to do with any of it. what offends me as an american is not the words that are used. look at the kinds of things jefferson said about john adams back and forth that is okay. it is the him y -- it is the hypocrisy on the left. to me it is hypocrisy. >> sean: the president lectured us on civility. he lectured the country. words that would make them proud he said after the tucson tragedy. at that point democrats had been blaming sarah palin for using what bob beckel created which is targeted districts. they took it out of context. the question is, where is the civility? where is the rhetoric that barack obama would be proud of and does he have the moral courage and do you have the moral courage to tell yo

you have biden calling us terrorists and then barbarians at the gate when he won't call barbarians at the gate barbarians at the gate because that wouldn't be politically correct. >> who are the barbarians? >> democrats don't like president obama. they are trying to embarrass him. i didn't know that obama was a kenyan term for rodney dangerfield. they give him no respect. >> hey. >> this is laughable. >> tony, i think -- >> really quickly let's get off this. i want to turn our attention quickly to this poll that we're just talking about here for one quick second. 2012 race a poll shows rick perry pulling further ahead. tony, is rick perry your guy? >> i don't have a guy yet. it's a great question, though. i think rick perry does a lot to inspire. i think he's got a couple questions to answer that only comes from the debate. i think guard sill is going to come up. i think this transtexas corridor and the whole thing about eminent domain is going to come up and he's going to have to explain these issues. this is a three-term governor vetted by the texas press. so far he is getting a lot

>> you know i think it's okay to call them barbarians. >> himming and hawing.'re himming -- >> no, no, no. chris, what's important, not a speech that biden gives as a rally, which he can do quite well. it's important what the president lays out thursday night and whether that in and of itself and the fight plan that comes with it, if there is a fight plan, motivates those people in that crowd to do something other than applaud a speech line. so it's really up to the white house now. biden wants to lead that fight with the president, they've got to get out and front of that crowd and give them something to fight for. >> if he says that s.o.b. eric cantedor, you will be there to say -- don't talk like that. anyway, thank you. >> i'm thinking of a rodney king moment here. can't we all get along? >> thank you michael steele. thanks for coming out here. >>> the one thing rick perry fleeds to do in his first republic republican presidential debate. what do they needed to do to come out on top. michele bachmann, mitt romney and rick perry. how do they all have to act

barbarians at the gate. right on.esident obama also took a stand for the middle class and unemployed yesterday. up next, you'll hear his challenge to congressional republicans. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] unlike some car companies, nissan is running at 100%, which means the most innovative cars are also the most available cars. nissan. innovation for today. innovation for all. ♪ >>> welcome back to the ed show. the numbers aren't very good. president obama's job approval is at a record low 44%. on the economy, only 37% think he's doing a good job. but when it comes to the president's ideas for job growth, the public is on board. support for a federally funded construction bill stands at 47 to 26. and americans, yes, they do want to extend the payroll tax cut, 40% to 20%. the president is expected to propose these plans and more in his job speech on thursday. and it sounds like he's daring republicans to oppose him. >> we're going to see if congressional republicans will put country before party. we'll give them a plan,

have this kind of print record of describing tobacco as kind of the ultimate idolatry and kind of barbarian behavior. and so they are faced with reconciling their own new habits with the way that they described it earlier on. >> well, when did tobacco catch on in europe? >> there's actually a significant time lag. part of the research that i did for this project, which would have been done before with the kind of systematically look in trade records and see when you start seeing them in a systematic way. so we have evidence that there's kind of erratic and idiosyncratic imports of both of the goods throughout the 16th century, throughout the 1500s. in a come as you would expect that some europeans start to get habituated to it and the americans, they need their stash when they go back, particularly salyers or associate with tobacco early on and a few returning conquistadors. but you don't see them at all in a trade records the 15 '90s. and that's when you have sort of a critical mass of consumers, we would say contemporary language maybe first adopters. and i identified sort of three vangua

barbarians at the gate. right on. president obama also took a stand for the middle class and unemployed yesterday. up next, you'll hear his challenge to congressional republicans. [ fema le announcer ] introducing crest complete whitening plus deep clean. you feel it working, so you know it's working. and that means you're good to go, for whatever the day brings. new crest complete. unlike ordinary toothpaste, you feel a deeper clean. it's a signal that tells you your whole mouth is clean. you're also protected. because most of life happens outside the bathroom. feel it working, know you're covered. with new crest complete, life opens up when you do. >>> welcome back to the ed show. the numbers aren't very good. president obama's job approval is at a record low 44%. on the economy, only 37% think he's doing a good job. but when it comes to the president's ideas for job growth, the public is on board. support for a federally funded construction bill stands at 47 to 26. and americans, yes, they do want to extend the pay

you are the only folks keeping the barbarians from the gates. >> ok, so the tea party people are barbarians now. >> i guess so. keep in mind, the two locations that you found the president and the vice president yesterday. the president in detroit where the unemployment level is almost double what the national average is but maybe he was listening to maxine waters who a couple of weeks ago, a member of his own party said why aren't you going to the african-american communities where people are really struggling? so was that the reason he ended up in detroit and then you have biden, of course in, the ultimate state of ohio. very important for 2012. >> all right. so you're an illegal immigrant and i'm putting you in this scenario and you walk in and say -- >> is this a hypothetical or speaking directly to somebody? >> it's reality based much like housewives of new jersey which is fantastic also based on real wives. walks into a store and buys a lottery ticket and it turns out that illegal immigrant won $3 million. >> how cool is that? it's one of those scratch off things and so a couple of th

don't misunderstand -- you are the only folks keeping the barbarians at the gates.he only nongovernmental power. the only nongovernmental power. the other side has declared war on labor's house and it's about time we stand up. >> well, there he is. joe biden, regular guy. can he do it? david corn, can he take the labor movement along with the people like james hoffa and turn on the passion that we're seeing from the right? >> you know i think it's okay to call them barbarians. >> yes or no. you're hemming and ahhing. you're hemming. >> no, no, no. chris, what's important, not a speech that biden gives as a rally, which he can do quite well. what's going to be important is what the president lays out thursday night and whether that in and of itself and the fight plan that comes with it, if there is a fight plan, motivates those people in that crowd to do something other than applaud a speech line. so it's really up to the white house now. biden wants to lead that fight with the president, they've got to get out in front of that is crowd and give them something to fig

to it that they read the people of the united states wake up to the fact that we are viewed as barbarians by people around the world as a result of our continued use of the death penalty when life in prison without the possibility of parole is is as. effective if not more effective as a deterrent and as effective if not more effective a punishment for grievous kind and an even less about side which i was. so incredibly less expensive we're wasting a hundred four hundred eighty four million dollars a year here in california as an example every year we have an executed anybody in six years and every year we're wasting hundred eighty four million dollars to simply keep alive his death penalty system and i organization that definitely focused the one you mentioned earlier is going to be part of a coalition that will put on the ballot for next year's election. a an alternative saying let's end the death penalty replace it with life in prison without possibility of parole and take some of the money that we're saving and use it for putting more police on the street and use it for doing the kind

you are the on folks keeping the barbarians from the gates. bill: who are the barbarians? the republicans in the tea party? >> i would like to ask vice president biden that. he's probably speaking of the same people jimmy hoff a was. tea party activists across the country. it's inexcusable. bill: if you got an apology from the white house would you be satisfied? >> i think president obama should apologize. president obama should condemn the speech and ask jimmy hoffa and vice president biden to apologize for their comments. that's what we would like to see happen. alisyn: where are the jobs? a group of protesters are demanding answers to that from a congressman and they disrupted his event. bill: unnecessary roughness. this in a normal world might be considered a flag. 15 yards. watch it here. end of this play. wait until you see that. bill: angry protesters disrupting an event held by paul ryan. police officers showed up to control the crowd. dozens of picketers with questions about job creation. ryan had this answer. >> let's continue on with our -- i'm going to keep tal

so i look at him now as a barbarian, and i probably will, and it's a sad situation.nk i'm a good christian, but i have a different view and image of him now, and i can't replace it with the old image. i can't replace it with the old image. >> narrator: for many people who did not lose loved ones, the questions were also urgent and personal. something about september 11 powerfully challenged their beliefs. ( choir singing ) >> the face of god for me was one that was strong, secure, consistent, a face that while at times seemed distant, could more or less be counted on to be there, who kept things in order- - the sun would come up; the sun would go down-- who'd provide, could be counted on. after september 11, the face of god was a blank slate for me. god couldn't be counted on in the way i thought god could be counted on. that's what i felt as i stood on ground zero. god seemed absent, and it was frightening because the attributes that i had depended upon had all been stripped away, and i was left with nothing but that thing we call faith. but faith in what, i wasn't

. >> you are the only ones keeping the barbarians at the gate. >> when it comes to bold-face lying to the american people, barack obama makes bill clinton look like a boy scout. i've never seen a president lie with such aplomb and so consistently over so long a time as barack obama. it is totally hypocritical. bob put a nice spin on the hoffa speech, this is the long witch of warfare. this is so -- language of warfare this is so districtive. our politics unbelievably ugly. the democrats for reasons i don't refer to democrats, but i explain in my book, people on the left are basically in a religious movement. they want to see a redemption in this life. they see conservatives like us, we are the party of satan for them. that's the way they treat us. conservatives tend to be on the whole, civil, they give people the benefit of the doubt and they are -- >> excuse me, i'm sorry. >> it is okay we forgive you. >> sean: bob give me three quick examples come able, son of a bitch. >> joe wilson, you lie! i could bring up david, that schmuck in louisiana the clue clues -- the ku klux klan, repub

republicans, tea party members can go straight to hell, they are sons of bitches, terrorists, barbarians at the gate, they want to see black americans hanging from trees. all of this say. the president who lectures on civility was silent last night. was that striking to you? >> very striking. he talked about this bipartisan need to work together. we agree, we want to find areas of commonality that we can work together to get the american people back to work. understanding that the federal government doesn't create jobs we can only create that environment. when i saw that speech where we were called sob's where they stood up and said we gotta take these guys out. and the president spoke after that and didn't renounce it. that was getting off on the wrong foot that is a partisan foot. tonight what i saw is the president saying, pass this bill last night, he said that and he had a standing ovation before he even began to outline what was in the bill. >> sean: one of the reasons that i know congressman shock this is political, i have spies, this may shock them, pfeiffer and plouffe preparing

you are the only folks keeping the barbarians from the gates. >> laura: literally. meanwhile, you can always count on jesse jackson to take us down the racial divide. he warned that the tea party and republicans want to bring back slavery. >> this is a civil war struggle, are you with the union? are you with the states? they have a debate in iowa two weeks ago. all of them are for the 10th amendment. that's the slave amendment. they want to undermine the 13, 14, 15th amendment. this is very serious. >> laura: that's a lot of amendments to undermine. well, what a difference eight months makes. remember how democrats, including president obama, called on all americans to dial back the inflammatory rhetoric following the shooting of arizona congresswoman gabrielle giffords? >> at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized, at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than we do, it's important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we're talking with each ot

. >>> up next, barbarians at the gate.ow worried are karl rove and the bush crowd, the political establishment of the republican party, about the emergence of this longtime rival rick perry? shirts versus skins looks like in the republican party. the establishment versus the tea party. they don't like these wild people from the right coming in and taking their jobs away from them. >>> anyway, this is "hardball," only on msnbc. >>> the republican debate turned it into a two-man fight between mitt romney and rick perry many believe. with michele bachmann sort of out of the picture already, bachmann's campaign is regrouping and say they'll campaign almost exclusively in iowa to get that campaign back on track. a far cry from this summer when she was the iowa front-runner and once perry got in the race, bottomed out. i'm surprised how quickly this is happening. surprised at all of it. if she can beat perry in iowa, she's in. if she can't, my guess, she's out. we'll be right back. >>> if you come into our state and you kill one

we now think of genghis khan as a barbarian, but he was a great modernizer, fascinating read.l gadhafi always traveled with his tents. queen victoria reportedly traveled with her own bed. president bush had his own pillow. but such needs almost caused a diplomatic incident this week. australia's foreign minister, kevin rudd, wanted to bring his beloved breakfastry to new york with him this week. according to mr. rudd's twitter feed, the airport authorities in new york tried to confiscate it. the culprit -- vegemite, yes the spread that most aussies love and the word hates. mr. rudd, you should know we find vegemite for sale in new york, just a few miles from the australian mission. so maybe next time, save yourself the hassle, and buy it here. though why would you want to? the correct answer to our "gm" challenge question was, c, the first u.n. general assembly was held at central hall in london in 1946. there were 51 nations represented back then. 193 nations are represented today. go to our web site for more. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i wil

that separates us from barbarians. >> that is. i'm a historian by training. democratic institutions are inherently fragile. they operate on good faith. trust. and the spirit of compromise. and once you go down the road of never compromise, you bring down the viability of institutions, you are on the way it something very bad. >> now when i hear this, bachmann, and i don't dislike him personally. she has all these foster kids, good for her. i think she is a good person in that area. she talks about working for the irs to learn how they work. she talks about them being evil. >> as long ago as teddy roosevelt. they have to keep topping each other to the right. i t wouldn't be surprising to me if someone says they will eliminate the epa. we've gotten almost to that point. >> is it partisan victory talk or true hatred of anything that's public? that's an private club or private business? >> i agree to some that's true. the aircraft you fly on, the food that you eat -- >> i'm not going to say that too off then because i don't call the people on the right fascist to

the barbarians are at the gate. nathan is back.non-southern democrat to was elected in 48 years pierre their release a study about household net worth. the net worth is $5,500. half of black households in the united states have less than $5,500. total net worth. hispanics saw a big drop in the past four or five years going from 16 to 6. white saw a little drop. the median net worth for a white house told his 20 that if it 20 times that of a black household. -- the median net worth for the ofte halhouse is two times that a black household. black unemployment listed as prices really is closer to 25. this is post ratio. access to health care. they're not even be a problem or a need for health-care law. it is non-hispanic white people. most have health care. let me mention in terms of the household word. a third have zero net worth. they had more than what they had and all of their assets. that is post ratio pictures you can go up and down the line. the same thing that is true about income and net worth, about health care, about racial

. >>> up next, barbarians at the gate.l rove and the bush crowd, the political establishment of the republican party, about the emergence of this longtime rival rick perry? shirts versus skins looks like in the republican party. the establishment versus the tea party. they don't like these wild people from the right coming in and taking their jobs away from them. >>> anyway, this is "hardball," only on msnbc. ♪ [ male announcer ] how could switchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and the aerospace industry in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. only on msnbc. >>> the republican debate turned it into a two-man fight between mitt romney and rick perry many be

hammer the republicans as obstructionists, you know, we're going to take those s.o.b.s out, the barbarianse gate, do that sort of thing and running a campaign. the president did the right thing for the country. i think the right thing for himself and for the unemployed, because in the last analysis, good policy is good politics. if he gets this through and as peter says, i doubt -- i think peter is optimistic but unemployment starts turning around, then it's good for the president as well as for the country. >> right. it's good for the country. that's what people need to be focused on right now, certainly given the malaise that we're in. peter, when you look at what the president wants to do, do you think -- the eternal optimist that he is, he expects this whole thing to be passed in solidarity like that or is he expecting this to be piecemeal and cherry picked? >> he'd love that. i think the president is hardly naive, alex. his pretty tough battles and he'll have more tough battles. you know, he realizes that he's going to have folks sniping at him. he realizes that the tea party does not

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. >> our boy joe biden, he said the republicans were the barbarians at the gates. said the tea party wants to see black folk s hanging from trees. it looks to me like the democrats are coming back to town looking for a fight, and, b, they're distracting from barack obama, the substance of the great program when we spend eight, nine minutes talking about jim hoffa. >> there's real frustration, actually, from democrats. talk to them on the hill. there's frustration that the president isn't fighting enough. and perhaps this is the overreaction. but as we go back to washington, d.c., the focus is on jobs, steve rattner. the president has a huge speech to give. as always, you come to depress as well as educate. >> i come to ruin your day. you have charts to show that the a administration has ground to make up for, let alone gain on when it comes to jobs, correct? >> i have lots of charts. we can start wherever you want. >> dive in. >> the ps is going to be framing the jobs. a lot of people say there's nothing he can do about jobs. he's given the speech already many time

the me tell you about the anger of the barbarians at the gate. seen it all on tv, and i haven't seen it on tv. i don't watch politics on tv. i prefer reading about things and watching it on tv. but in terms of what you have seen, they want to take the country back. they want to take the country back to 1950. 1930, 1910. that's what they want to take the country back to. they don't want to take the country back in terms of just they're going in a different direction. they want to take the country back in time. let me tell you what happened to the population in three states. all right? georgia i want to mention in particular because georgia, you know, had a 25% increase in its black population between 2000-2010. 25% doesn't mean anything unless you know where you start off. and in georgia the black population was already 27%. and so the black population in georgia between 2000-2010, that's 10 years, some of you know that 10 years is just a blink of an eye. and in the blink of an eye, the black voting age population, i'm not even talk about over all

within two or three generations of their conversion to christianity, all the barbarian tribes were alreadyno longer living in this tribal associations. inning win, it gets carried to this extreme, where thierry parent who is improvident enough to turn over your fortune to your son before he died without having signed it made this contract come you could be in big trouble because the kid could say well, sorry dad. i got my own business to worry about and i'll try to take care of you, but it's not a priority. an english families, already in the 1300, you are having family signed contracts with each other because you could not rely on children to take care of their children in old age. already that presumes a huge amount of individualism that were not bound by what ernest gelder returned as within that big conglomeration of relatives. for much more individualistic early on. finally, sequence and development of europe goes like this. it goes first with her for comment and you construct a powerful centralized state and only later do you get democratic accountability. what comes before the state

within two or three generations of their conversion to christianity, all the barbarian tribes were alreadyno longer living in this tribal associations. inning win, it gets carried to this extreme, where thierry parent who is improvident enough to turn over your fortune to your son before he died without having signed it made this contract come you could be in big trouble because the kid could say well, sorry dad. i got my own business to worry about and i'll try to take care of you, but it's not a priority. an english families, already in the 1300, you are having family signed contracts with each other because you could not rely on children to take care of their children in old age. already that presumes a huge amount of individualism that were not bound by what ernest gelder returned as within that big conglomeration of relatives. for much more individualistic early on. finally, sequence and development of europe goes like this. it goes first with her for comment and you construct a powerful centralized state and only later do you get democratic accountability. what comes before the state

within two or three generations of their conversion to christianity, all the barbarian tribes were alreadyno longer living in this tribal associations. inning win, it gets carried to this extreme, where thierry parent who is improvident enough to turn over your fortune to your son before he died without having signed it made this contract come you could be in big trouble because the kid could say well, sorry dad. i got my own business to worry about and i'll try to take care of you, but it's not a priority. an english families, already in the 1300, you are having family signed contracts with each other because you could not rely on children to take care of their children in old age. already that presumes a huge amount of individualism that were not bound by what ernest gelder returned as within that big conglomeration of relatives. for much more individualistic early on. finally, sequence and development of europe goes like this. it goes first with her for comment and you construct a powerful centralized state and only later do you get democratic accountability. what comes before the state