archaeologist warren barbour is trying to figure out why.barbour: figurines were found primarily in refuse, i think, for a number of possible reasons. first, they may have lost their sanctity and they had to be constantly replaced, so you just tossed them out. if they were used for a particular ritual, on a particular fiesta of a particular month, and then you'd -- sort of a planned obsolescence where they'd have to be replaced constantly. secondly, they may have been purposely broken. some of my colleagues believe that these were used and then purposely broken. and the other possibility, which sometimes i grip the bed at night thinking about, is that perhaps some of these are just toys and may have been -- um.person-handled by kids to the point that they break very easily. keach: barbour has discovered that many of the fragments were actually the parts of marionettes. their arms and legs would have been attached by string. large figures are called "hosts" because the body always contains one or more "guests" inside. archaeologists think tha

you say and ltc lobbyists instead of haley barbour.e said that referring to it as a jewish company. >> guest: neal volz brought that into me. it transcended from there because i believe jack sees this to get foxconn before me which the government said you met with foxcom and i will tell you why. it was because of the jewish issue. this got around. whether jack picked it up or whatever jack came into me personally and i remember what he said. this was about your reputation with the jewish community. you may be anti-jewish. i support the israelis and it's not about money. he brings foxcom officials in. we want to clear this up about half. aipac was supposedly mad and this was getting around town. at that point in time i said listen i don't know if you are going to get this contractor not but as far as not getting the contract because you are an israeli company that is absolutely absurd. jack said that's my point. knowing jack abramoff and neal volz jack was a chameleon of type. possibly jack abramoff found out about this and seized foxco

barbour of sense he wants the next i know is where i get the next. inspect your bags they look at your things and you have something like that. they're going to prosecute you and i knew i made a list of names they're not calling me a felon with that. this so figured out a way you know how am i getting it.

. >> andrea, if i could quote two of our leading political observers in this country, haley barbour saidpolitics good gets better and bad gets worse. politically, leaving aside tragic events in syria, budget issues, just a matter of pure partisan politics, the president needs some victories. right now the conventional wisdom in washington and in political circles around the country is the president is on a bad losing streak of bad decisions and bad judgment about where to pick his battles. in the case of larry summers caving, the perception is he wanted something he didn't get. the other thing, he must win something. football coach al davis, just win. the reason he's not, i don't believe, confronting gun control right now, as chris said, there's no chance the events of yesterday will in the short-term lead to a political victory. his presidency hinges on the debt and deficit and decisions coming up. there will be other factors. this is not the beginning of the end of his presidency. the next big fight, he must go into that fight as strong and focused as possible. picking a fight on gun c

now we've got representative barbour co-sponsoring a bill which is all about identifying people like aaron alexis and getting them into treatment. five weeks ago, the newport police department memorialized. i mean, they wrote down very clearly. i'm looking at the police report right here, symptoms of what could only be described most likely as schizophrenia, hallucinations. they reported it to the naval officer on duty that night. there was ample warning. so, you know, gun control is important. i'm going to get political for the first time on your program. we know how to fix these problems. we get police officers who are trained to assess and deal with mentally ill people and identify the risk. the warning signs for someone like myself and for thousands of police officers, i know who our crisis intervention team, c.i.t. team, police officers in this country, the warning signs were abundantly clear. this was somebody who was at risk for violence. not only to other people but to himself. >> there's no doubt to my mind. the whole issue of gun violence in america is very multifacetted an

. >> if you had a tough issue, if you asked haley barbour, the former national chairman of the republicanparty, and ed rendell, the former chairman of the national democrats party, put those two people together, they will find a solution to they will find a solution. that's what this bipartisan politics is about. you do not abandon your principles, but you do find solutions and results. because after that why are you taking the steps state was the same thing with governors. >> governor kempthorne was talking about our immigration task force, the bbc's immigration task force. also has condi rice. and take immigration as an issue. i would love to see a comprehensive immigration bill that has increase border security, e-verification, and also obviously eventual path decisions. but let's assume we're not going to get the senate bill, then let's get something. there are so many pieces. if we break that down piece by piece it's amazing how you get beyond pieces of the bill. you would make some progress and you've got to get some things done. when i was governor i had the republican legislature,

>> guest: i'm the poet laureate in the state of mississippi, the outgoing governor haley barbour selectede as the poet laureate. >> guest: is that a term position? >> guest: in mississippi east the lifetime position but with my term the previous poet laureate died and they decided to make a term position and is now four years. >> host: we can characterize authors like to give the brand as joyce carol oates or a novelist or historian. can you characterize pellets the same way? >> guest: plenty of poets write in other genres. you might also call me a nonfiction writer because i have a book of nonfiction but i am thinking about something my southern predecessor said and that is the historical cynicism, the poetic sense shouldn't be seen as contradictory because if poetry is the little myths that we make, then history is the big myths that we live and in our living constantly remake and so for me that suggests there are lots of links between the different genres 11 though we may call someone a poet or non paula, i feel i am someone for whom the historical sense always animates the work that i