let's now bring in at jeff lazarus, he is the head of the health systems research group at the barcelona institute for global health and professors. we've been hearing now vaccine manufacturers as well, also saying it could be 2 to 6 weeks before we know about just how effective our current vaccines are against army kron. that sounds like really quite a long time, especially given the fears about how infectious it is. it is a long time, but it can't really be made any shorter because we need to document cases in those who are vaccinated and see what their responses are they having mild symptoms? are they having more serious symptoms? so to really a reminder that we need to be taking all sorts of other be cautions at the same time as we monitor the response to the vaccines. or given that as gina was just saying, we're already seeing community transmission and some places. and some estimates suggest it's been what circulating for a couple of weeks now. as someone who used to work with the w h o. do you personally think that the travel bands that are being rolled out a going to actually achieve their

barcelona. is jeff lazarus, head of the health systems research group, sponsor luna institutes for global health, and it's good to have you with us on the news worries. should we be about this news? surgeon corona virus? i think we need to be quite worried. what we're seeing is last transmission is increasing in all europe countries. the good news is that countries with a rather high or highest vaccination coverage, hospitalizations and deaths are lower. we're seeing certain resistance though, and in many countries around europe see to bring in different regulations to tackle this. are we not the talk of new restrictions in germany? we heard earlier in the program, but operators apartments are came to pass this. do you see the dilemma for government? so trying to tackle this new ways, but there's a public, pretty sick of being locked down and dealing with the corona virus. well, people want to have it both ways. on the one hand, they don't want to get backs needed, and on the other hand, they don't want to pay the consequences of not being vaccinated, which is locked down. there are other kinds