we're almost out of time, dr barghouti.question. ..had the right to be free. honestly, it's important, and it's the last one i'm going to ask you. after everything that has happened since october 7 and everything you have described to me, can you, in all honesty, imagine a time when you and your children and your grandchildren will live in peaceful coexistence side by side withjewish israelis in either a one—state or a two—state solution? can you imagine it? absolutely, and i don't only imagine it. i believe in it, and i work for it. and i'll tell you again, as i said before, many times, israel has one of two options, either to evacuate their settlers from the west bank and allow palestinians to have a state of their own, including west bank, gaza and eastjerusalem, and arrange for the return of the palestinian refugees, or we should live in one democratic state, we will have... ..where we all have equal rights, the jewish and palestinian people. but what they want is to ethnically cleanse us and have palestine all by thems

dr mustafa barghouti, thank ou massacres. dr mustafa barghouti, thank you for— massacres.r mustafa barghouti, thank you forjoining us _ massacres. dr mustafa barghouti, thank you forjoining us from - thank you forjoining us from ramallah. and just to say, i spoke to a senior adviser to the israeli government, mark regev earlier, and you an hear some of that interview in about 15 minutes time. joining me from washington is bill roggio who's a senior fellow at the foundation for defense of democracies. five weeks on, what does success look like the israel? i five weeks on, what does success look like the israel?— look like the israel? i think that success is _ look like the israel? i think that success is the _ look like the israel? i think that success is the elimination - look like the israel? i think that success is the elimination of. look like the israel? i think that - success is the elimination of hamas is a literary organisation. they are still along way from that and they are still pushing through in northern gaza and they are going to have to do that in the area as

mustafa barghouti in ramallah, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. good to be with you again, stephen.

i don�*t want to cut you off in your prime, doctor mustafa barghouti.rogramme ends, just move on. we are nowjoined by shashankjoshi, who�*s the defence editor at the economist. thank you forjoining us here on bbc news, and let�*s pick up on the point that mustafa barghouti made. is it correct that hamas have command and control centres within civilian areas in gaza?— control centres within civilian areas in gaza? , , ., areas in gaza? yes, it is. you can take a variety _ areas in gaza? yes, it is. you can take a variety of— areas in gaza? yes, it is. you can take a variety of views _ areas in gaza? yes, it is. you can take a variety of views on - areas in gaza? yes, it is. you can take a variety of views on the - take a variety of views on the proportionality of any given israeli strike. _ proportionality of any given israeli strike. and — proportionality of any given israeli strike, and that is a complex legal and ethical— strike, and that is a complex legal and ethicaljudgment, but what isn't in dispute _ and ethicaljudgment, but what isn't in dispute

to get more analysis on the hostage exchange, i spoke to dr mustafa barghouti, the secretary generalalestinian national initiative. mr barghouti, do you see the possibility of this temporary truce being extended and more hostages being released? yes. hostages being released? yes, absolutely- _ hostages being released? yes, absolutely. i— hostages being released? yes, absolutely. i think _ hostages being released? yes, absolutely. ithink i _ hostages being released? yes, absolutely. i think i would - absolutely. i think i would call it a ceasefire, actually. although it's only for four days. it definitely can be extended with the purpose of releasing more prisoners. it's really good news that 50 israeli children and women will be released. and at the same time 150 palestinian children and women will be released from israeli jails. some of them have been injailfor years and some for months. but this exchange of prisoners is a good beginning. and i do believe it breaks a lot of israeli government taboos. the taboo of not having exchange of prisoners, this was broken. the taboo that no c

mustafa barghouti in ramallah, welcome to hardtalk. thank you.

mr barghouti, do you see the possibility of this temporary truce being extended and more hostages beingire, actually, it's true, it's only forfour days, but it definitely can be extended with the purpose of releasing more prisoners. it's really good news that 50 israeli children and women will be released and, at the same time, 150 palestinian children and women will be released from israeli jails. some of them have been injail for years, and some for months. but this exchange of prisoners is a good beginning and i do believe it breaks a lot of israeli government taboos. the taboo of not having exchange of prisoners — this was broken. the taboo that no ceasefire can be had — now, we have a ceasefire for four days. and it should be extended because this war is bringing a lot, a lot, a lot of atrocities for palestinians in particular. crosstalk. just tojump in. you know well the israelis have said this is not a ceasefire. fighting will continue after this temporary pause is over. they say so. but what for? they have already killed almost 15,000 palestinians, including 6,150 children. and

most famously, marwan barghouti. he is not an islamist.ling shows he is the most popular palestinian leader. israel needs to think about what it's political strategy is here. you can't defeat hamas militarily because even if you depose it in gaza, you will be laying the seed for the next group of people who will be fighting israel. we know hamas recruits from the families of people that israel has killed. you need, seems to me come to support palestinian leaders who offer a vision of ethical resistance, not what we saw october 7, and of have to palestinian freedom that also means safety for israeli jews. marwan barghouti has spoken from jail about reconciliation, justice not vegan. if israel wanted legitimate posted leaders it could work with to build with the freedom, because only palestinian freedom in the long run will ensure israeli-jewish safety could create more legitimate palestinian leadership rather than mahmoud abbas who is viewed as a corrupt authoritarian subcontractor of israel at this point. juan: peter, i'm wondering our res

we can talk now to mustafa barghouti, a politician from the palestinian national initiative — about whatr. they are calling for democratic governance of the west bank and gaza. thank you very much for talking to us. let me ask you first what you are hearing from the al—shifa hospital. i are hearing from the al-shifa hos - ital. ~ ., are hearing from the al-shifa hosital. ~ . ., , , hospital. i think what happened in al-shifa hospital— hospital. i think what happened in al-shifa hospital is _ hospital. i think what happened in al-shifa hospital is a _ hospital. i think what happened in al-shifa hospital is a big - hospital. i think what happened in al-shifa hospital is a big scandal. al—shifa hospital is a big scandal for the israelis. it is actually the mother of all scandals, they have been talking about operational command centre, they have been talking about hostages kept there. they couldn't prove anything, nothing. this is not my opinion, this is the opinion of the new york times, cnn, people who accompanied them. they couldn't show any evidence, theyjust fabricated evidence, they j

he didn't enter a plea. 22—year—old hanin barghouti pleaded not guilty to a single count of expressingix — after the first practice had to be cancelled just nine minutes in, when driver carlos sainz hit a loose manhole cover. the second practice, which took place this morning, was also delayed. our sports correspondentjo currie reports from las vegas. the las vegas grand prix had already been billed as 99% show and 1% sporting event by world champion max verstappen. costing half a billion pounds to prepare and a0 years to put together, its first chance to wow lasted just nine minutes. the culprit that ended first practice early — drain covers! as ferrari's carlos sainz hit a loose one, having an instant impact on his car. the fai quickly announced a delay while all covers around the almost four mile long track were checked, but the damage was done. the schedule was already tight this weekend, as the stretch of the boulevard used for the race had to be re—opened to the the public at 4am. as a result, the rest of first practice was scrapped. the fans who paid nearly £750 to watch were se

i'm joined now by dr mustafa barghouti — president of the palestine national initiative.es that are taking place on the ground, what can you tell us about those reported attacks on two schools? ~ , ., _, schools? well, israel committed toda , schools? well, israel committed today. the _ schools? well, israel committed today, the israeli _ schools? well, israel committed today, the israeli army - schools? well, israel committed l today, the israeli army committed schools? well, israel committed - today, the israeli army committed a horrible, horrible massacre, another massacre, actually, which included attacking two schools. one of them is a united nations school in jabalia, in the north of gaza. and the other one is tal al—zaatar school also in the same area. the total people killed there is more than 200, and many of them, most of them are golden and will mean —— women, —— most of them are children and women. they are taking shelter in the schools because there is no safe to —— safe place to be in. the israelis conducted another air strike in khan younis in the south whi

amy: so that is hanan al-barghouti, who was just released as part of the prison exchange.t to put this question to orly noy, how are the prisoners perceive? the way you describe them, we talk about the israeli hostages taken by hamas on october 7. you describe them as hostages of the israeli state, with so many of the not even charged. orly: yeah. i mean, here, i should mention a word about the collaboration of the israeli media with the attempt to portray each and every palestinian behind bars as a terrorist. i mean, this is the one and only term that the israeli media is a soundbite to be palestinian prisoners, and it does not matter what they do. if it is a child or a grown-up man who did something more severe, they are only seen as terrorists, and the double standards, particularly in that area, is really mind blowing, because the same system that allows every jewish settler, citizen, or soldier or policeman, to walk away after killing palestinians, under the most outrageous circumstances, it's the same system that 312-year-olds -- three 12-year-olds are charged as a d

i was joined earlier by dr mustafa barghouti — president of the palestine national initiative.d a horrible, horrible massacre, another massacre, actually. it included attacking two schools, one is a united nations schools, one is a united nations school in the jabalia area in the north of gaza and the other one is tal al—zaatar school, also in the same area. the total of the people killed there is more than 200, and many of them, most of them are children and women, civilians, innocent people, who were taking shelter in these schools because there is no safe place to be in. they were bombarded and killed and then in addition to that, israel conducted another air strike in khan younis in the south which they are trying to push people to, claiming it is safer, so there they killed 60 other people, mainly women, mainly children, mainly civilians. these are barbaric attacks that continue around—the—clock, they have taken already the lives of more than 5000 children, probably 7000 children if we count those who are still under the rubble and nobody can take them out. nothing in the

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. >> and marwan barghouti has renounced the use of violence. some israelis are increasingly looking toward someone like that as potential leadership in the future. we're very far from that. richard, thank you. richard engel for us in tel aviv. >>> i want to bring in admiral benoit, the executive director for doctors without borders. thanks for being with us. so much of this conversation is about the hostages and their terrible situation and the prisoners that are being released into the west bank. but there's another very, very, very big story going on here, and that is while there is a pause in the fighting, aid is getting into gaza. the u.s. plane has landed with 54,000 pounds of medical aid and food. tell me about that story. is this making a dent? is this helping in any meaningful way to allow trucks into gaza and allow people like your staff to work there? >> well, jonathan for having me. i would say yes, it's helping, but not in a meaningful way. we are coming from so far behind with the people who, under siege, lacked everything -- food,