. >>> a new survey from the christian research organization the barna group confirms that technologyo shape the spiritual practices of millennials -- young people 18 to 29. according to barna, 70% of practicing christian millennials read scripture on a screen, such as a cell phone or tablet. and nearly 40% of them say they fact-check their pastor's sermons online. >>> on our calendar this week, protestants observe reformation sunday, which recalls the day in 1517 when martin luther nailed his 95 theses to a church door in wittenberg. november 1st is all saints day, when christians honor martyrs and saints, followed by all soul's day on november 2nd. on november 3rd, hindus around the world begin the five-day celebration of diwali, the festival of lights. diwali is one of the most well-loved of all hindu festivals, and is held in honor of lakshmi, the goddess of wealth. also this week, depending on the sighting of the new moon, muslims mark the islamic new year. >>> we have a judy valente profile today of poet christian wiman, the former editor of “poetry” magazine, this year teaching

host: continuing our conversation with maria barna tiroma. i was calling because all of this discussion about raising the debt ceiling centers around, and even you are seeing the talk about default. moody's published this publicly the other day that because you do not increase the debt ceiling does not mean the united states would default on its debt. to pay plenty of money the debt. what it may do is cause the united states to prioritize our expenditures. the interesting thing i am hearing from you and heard it creeping in yesterday that the scare tactic is the deadline is thursday. we have to get it done by thursday. now maybe it is november. people know increasing the debt ceiling does not you have -- does that mean you have to stop paying your bills. then you have the treasury secretary. do not know if it was last sunday or the sunday before. the united states stating statesy that the united would not or prioritize payments. i wish you would comment on that. i would like your comments that this will not cause a default. i think it is clea