but when barney clark got an artificial heart his wife was afraid he wouldn't love her anymore so we do still have these weird things. >> well, you've kind of told the story through the lives of five primary doctors and you read about bud frazier and he is the fulcrum in the history so you have denton cooley -- michael debakey first and then denton cooley and then buzz frazer and then billy comb and daniel timms as the kind of the people that you hang this history on, and they all have these big egos and sort of a drive to succeed which is what you need in this field. can you paint us a quick sketch of who these guys are? >> yeah. another reason i wanted to write the book, i don't know how many of you remember but michael debakey was a -- the most famous surgeon in the world of his time. he came to houston -- he had to be lured to houston. called baylor a third-rate medical school and he, through his will, really, turned it into a first-class institution. he actually disspeed the size of his egg go, which wouldn't fit the capitol, he brought in excellent people from all over the coun