we talked about barney frank a minute ago. barney frank during the mid 1990's said to his fellow democratic lawmakers, this is after they passed the brady bill and the assault weapons ban in the 1990's and they saw some backlash from that, they said, look, this is not an -- this is an issue that divides our party, it doesn't advance us politically, we ought to pipe down on that. >> and the president ran away from this in his first term. >> exactly. i think they recognized that it was difficult. this was very much i think driven by the president, his reaction as a father, you saw that after newton when he came out and almost as if he was scoding -- scolding himself for having run away in his first term and said, we can't forget these victims. he came out with that message again, but it's a difficult slog politically and i think at some point they'll get very practical about it and see whether -- can you get a background check bill? and if not, can you get the magazines and the draft? >> it's been so interesting what the polls h

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joining me now is former congressman barney frank of massachusetts. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. >> you're welcome. >> did you ever find yourself in a situation where the journalist made himself part of the story? your thoughts on this. >> oh, absolutely. i think this shows two things. first of all, the hypersensitivity of journalists, particularly striking in people who make a living by writing rude things about others. there is this apparent view that the first amendment says two things -- one, congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech and, two, no one in public office shall ever criticize a journalist. they are hypersensitive. and yes, they've become part of the story. the second thing that troubles me about mr. woodward's journalism and some others is it focuses on who did what to whom in the process and the substance gets lost. the important questions today are should we be cutting the military? which i believe we can do safely. should we be raising taxes? and by the way, as far as the administ

barney frank, the openly gay congress member saying it was diverting the attention. of all of the criticism you got, what hurt the most? >> the democratic criticism and all my friends giving me the same advice. what advice would you give as mayor? do what you think is right. all of a sudden they say wait a second. you need to ask for permission. there is a process. that was the issue with frank and others. they expected permission. somehow who are you? you are new to the scene. we have been at this for decades. and i'm straight. that is an issue. who gives this guy the right to speak for us? the interesting thing, a lot of the members of the gay community and organizations, they were not ready for the fight. they were not thinking of the fight. in 2004, we were barely entering into the debate of civil unions having gone through that half decade around domestic partnerships. gay marriage was not on the radar screen in the mayoral debates. it was a tough issue for a lot of folks. >> scott: you mentioned george w. bush. he won in 2004. it came down to ohio which had a g

joining us now former democratic congressman from massachusetts, barney frank.ing back. frank bruni and rick stengel is still bus. >> barney has quotes from your dad. >> he does. i can't read his writing put it's from strategic vision. impressive. should i he read it? i don't know. >> i can tell you. we have talked about it. you know. we do see america's military spending is essential and a responsible way to reduce a did he and can do it at no loss to security area we start s subsidizing. your father has a good insight saying in that quote after their empirs crumbled, europe decided to leave the task of maintaining global security to america so they could use their resources to build their safety net. that is the best summary of that central point that comes from a guy who they can't accuse of being an isolationist or unaware of the national implications. >> we have been talking about this a long time after the sequestration story hit. we heard hpeople saying there i a hollow force and we couldn't slash this much spending. then you dig into the numbers and find

barney frank got along pretty well with his ranking republicans spencer bachus but once the finishing committee even though many of his ideas were included i can't possibly support you on the floor because sort of my party has a strategy. it's a political strategy that i can't do anything about it. but mickey is right. there is a dynamic at work here that affects both parties. there is just no question about it and we may not play that up enough in the book. we certainly believe it that there is so much now strategic partisan behavior. it's happening because the parties are operating at a level of parity so that each election there is a change of party control in the white house and majority control of the house and the senate and so there is a kind of relentlessness to think in those strategic terms and both engage in that. so in that sense i am with mickey completely. but right now there is a sort of fundamental difference between democrats and republicans. republicans partly because they are constituencies that believe the government has suddenly gotten out of hand. it's just too b

we're talking about this is before barney frank, fellow congressmember from massachusetts, came out.> gerry was the first openly member of congress but he came out of this controversy in 1983. i think the most important thing of his coming out was in the midst of his controversy -- this controversy, rather than saying his actions were based on alcohol or any other excuses and never people of other members of congress have used over the years, he proudly stood up on the floor of the house and said he was a game man, something that had never been done before. inhink as he demonstrated that act, it gave a lot of other people the confidence and courage to also stand up. and i think that act has brought us where we are today. less than 50 years after stonewall, 30 years after gerry spoke out on the floor of the house, it is a different world we live in. >> thank you, dean hara, for being with us. our to end with the comments of legislature, a former legislator in minnesota. during this month's hearings in minnesota on legalizing same-sex marriage, and this one former republican lawmaker e

they heckled congressman barney frank with anti-gay chants but democrats were undeterred by this teaarched on to make history and sign health care into law. minutes after they did so, tea party hero michele bachmann vowed to tear the law down. >> going to get every republican to sign it and anybody else. if we get 218 signatures, nancy pelosi is forced to bring the repeal bill to the floor for a vote. >> so that was then. the this was today, three years later. >> that's why we're here. because we're saying, let's repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. let's not do that. let's love people. let's care about people. let's repeal it now while we can. >> let's repeal it. led by tea party gop has tried 36 times to take an ax to health care, today included. but guess what, the law is here to stay and the tea party, well, these days its bark is a lot worse than its bite. it turns out the caucus hasn't met since july of last year. one member says, quote, to say we haven't been real active is an understatement. we haven't done anything. well

barney frank pushed for it.re they are right now is balancing off the allegiance of senior democrats and senior republicans all of whom coalesced to essentially preserve a status quo i think is dangerous for the economy but that is a separate debate. both parties participated in this effort to preserve a structure. >> one thing i think is interesting in the republican party recently is that while you do these sort of pawlenty and brown movement. david vitter, to become talking about breaking up the big banks and say what we have now is uncompetitive. >> the president of the -- had a great op-ed in the "wall street journal" saying break them up. he is a conservative voice. a strain of populism. it resides in both parties. i think that is where you see the convergence between a vitter and brown or elizabeth warren and i think all are correct. there is that populism. >> what do you think needs to be and what do you think needs to be done about too big to fail? >> i think we should end it. i think the policies that

can you give me some details on barney frank as well? st: anything you can tell us about representative waters case and rep franks case? guest: there was an investigation in the case of rep waters. allegations the surrounding the bank in which her husband had invested and the question was whether she used the tarp the with financial bailout to get funding for this bank. there were other questions about her staff, i believe it was her grandson who acts as her chief of staff. i cannot remember the scope of the ethics committee and what they were looking into but there were several charges involving her. they were looking at this of the same time there were looking at representative rangel. ended the congress in 2010 with the censure of rep rankle. =gel. an ethics case can be carried over to the next congress and my suspicion is that after rep rangel and his censure. the ethics committee did not want to investigate another member. i think they have just deflated and it has fallen by the wayside. this is one of the big problems with the ethic

barney frank. he said, my continued attraction to men is more politically acceptable than my attraction to government. >> he's probably right. >> reporter: exactly. that tells you how tea leaves are changing. who knows. they could change here. i think that's not the general expectation in a dramatic way. >> john harwood, thank you so much. >>> with me here in new york, congressman charlie rangel. congressman, thank you so much for joining me. >> good being here. >> congressman, one of the things that strikes me is the dramat dramatic shift as john was talking about in public opinion on this issue, particularly with young voters under 30 who see this as a civil rights issue. i wanted to get your thoughts on that in that broader context of this being seen as the civil rights issue of our time in some ways. >> sometimes ignorance has a lot to do with people forming their opinion. and the statement that's attached to something, everyone wants to be liked. but when they turn around after making an argum

listen to what congressman barney frank had to say on morning joe today on the personal relationshipshink the personal is he -- i put this. bad personal relationships can make things worse, good personal relations can make things better. >> do you think the smile and handshake campaign will allow the president to find the common ground with allen west types in the republican house? >> there's no question that relationships do count. i've seen it internally within the freshman class. on both sides of the aisle, we've focused on getting to know each other and each other's families. it makes a real difference. it's a lot tougher to call someone a name when you know their wife's name and kids' names. i'm not saying that would work with all members. there are some that are stuck in their ways and never going to compromise. by and large, there's a group in this freshman class. and i think a growing number that do want to compromise and where those relationships that sort of outreach that the president is doing now will make a difference. >> as we talk about that outreach, the latest numbers

. >> barney frank. do you remember it? never write when you can talk, never talk when you can nod, never nod when you can wink. >> good. >> words to live by. >> s&p analysts were discouraged from doodling and official documents during meetings to discuss pending deals and existing ratings. but it turns out the employees didn't fully heed the warning g warningings. that's always the problem. the government's civil lawsuit relies heavily on e-mails. but legal experts say the u.s. case needs witnesses to bolster those e-mails. >> so the reasons the united states went after moody's first wasn't because of the downgrade -- >> s&p first not moody peps. >> or after s&p and not moody's first was because of the downgrade. but they're going to have trouble with this or not? we've seen e-mails that worked in the past. i'm not sure why this case -- >> in this case, the s&p e-mails that are identity there are not -- they sound difficult, but they're very broad. it's just we're screwing this whole thing up as opposed

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. >> barney frank said before 9/11, we had nothing and we can't spend.-11, we had an unlimited amount of money to do anything. >> it boggles the mind to figure out who is right. calling them criminals and jailing them because they have a broken tail light which is what the current administration to immigrants, what is right? what is left is very clear because there is a clear movement where we talk about the economic costs of improvening peop people, but we are pulling away from moral argument because right voters really support arguments for immigration reform. now some of us are like -- >> that will be interesting because when the fight gets taken to the national level and if this thing passes, it's going to pass by thin margins. people will say that. if you need these swing voters and a utah republican to vote with you. he doesn't want to hear roberto's radical critique. >> i remember the immigration 20 years ago was not even an issue. now the massive industries and we have these dehumanization of hate crimes and people dying in the desert because of

my question is, given regulatory process by barney frank to get it to pass and given the stats at theave been missed, do you think the process is unfolding encouragingly? was that the right thing to do? there are some that say they should have just broken up the banks. >> broadly speaking, i think that the rule-making across dodd/frank are behind where most people want to see them, in terms of level of development. look, i'm realistic about this. at the cfpb we hit every deadline we were given and it did not come without some human cost. you should see the team of economists, they are like zombies. the most loving zombies. >> people are working their butts off. >> it's a gigantically huge undertaking given with reasonably arbitrary timelines with fixed number of people and timelines. that's hard to do. i'm sympathetic to other agencies that didn't have the same flexibility the bureau had. we have to hire from the ground up. we got to get exactly the kind of crazed, hard working people we wanted. and it's helped. >> to me the cfpb is a great example. it's the best case scenario. you we

watching barney frank take the broadway stage for a one-week appearances in a play, we've learned frankther retirement plan up his had sleeve. the outspoken democrat just printed an opinion piece in the main sunday telegram, and if you read the fine print, you'll learn he will now be a regular contributor to "the telegram's" insight section. >>> and more trouble for carnival cruise lines. a third ship, count three now, finds itself in need of repairs. first. >>> an iraqi came up, perfect english, an american hostage being held, she's at the hospital. make sure authorities know. >> a look back at some of the most monumental moments of the war are in iraq with journalists including the one you just saw there who helped cover it ten years ago. >>> you're watching msnbc. the place for politics. i'm up next, but now i'm singing the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief it is! you don't decide when vegetables reach the peak of perfection. the vegetables do. at green giant, we pick vegetables only when they're

required servers to maintain order and decorum for rule of law than -- [inaudible] >> and i thought barney frank had retired. >> the committee will come to order. the committee will come to order. mr. demarco, you are again recognized her summary of your testimony. >> the next line in my prepared remarks are the task has not been easy. while we have not always succeeded, the results are better than frequently recognized. and conservatorship, the enterprise complete more than 2.6 million foreclosure prevention transactions. as these come in nearly 2.2 million of these transactions resulted in the bar were staying in their home. the borrowers able to pay mortgages and enterprises have refinanced 15 million mortgages since conservatorship. more importantly they've completed almost 2.2 million harp refinances. >> the witness will suspend. >> i would have to ask the capitol police to come in again and escort these individuals outside of the chambers. ladies and gentlemen, we are not going to allow you to disturb this hearing as part of the people. you will be excluded. >> mr. chairman, will be just a

barney frank, john kerry, barack obama, and i, we agreed we cannot let the banking system collapsed onto the hopes and dreams of every family in our country, not just a small number of people without bank accounts. there would've been tens of millions of people without bank accounts from exposed banks had collapsed. not tot was a decision bail out the bankers but rather to ensure that the financial system did not send us back to the great depression, which is what many economists were predicting would happen if we did not pass that bill. so i voted for main street, to make sure that wall street did not destroy all those hopes and dreams. and we're now in the 34th consecutive month of an economic recovery because we make sure that our economic system did not collapse. >> the bill that you voted for denied bail out the main street. the bill was supposed to help main street in theory. what happened was the bank's stock their banks full of cash and never increased lending. so you can take credit for something that never happened, i guess. but the bailout was certainly something that has to t

barney frank, john kerry, barack obama and i agreed we could not allow the banking system to collapse on the hopes and dreams of every family in our country. not just a small number of people. tens of millions of people without bank accounts if those things had collapsed. for me was the decision not to bailout the bankers, but ensure the financial system did not spend back to the great depression, which is what many economists were predicting would happen if we did not cast their vote. i voted for main street to make sure wall street did not spoil his hopes and dreams that we are now in the 34th consecutive month of an economic recovery because a major economic system did not collapse. >> lynch: the belt is not bailout mainstream. the bill was supposed in theory help mainstream. what happens is the bank's outer banks full of cash and no debt increase funding. you can take credit for something that never happened. the bailout was certain i something that has to this ensure these banks for baker and bigger and bigger. >> markey: i voted against glass-steagall. i did not want them to get

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the previous time i was on here was with barney frank.to take a leading role in that as folks say. if we start on entitlements, folks try to make us look heartless and democrats start on defense we try to make them good weak. i think it is incumbent upon us to begin the conversations. i was impressed that rand had the fortitude to take a step on that and one of the reasons we wrote the letter. >> put aside senator paul's plan what would a good package look like to you? >> the thing i'm hearing in washington now that makes me somewhat optimistic at arriving at some type of agreement on immigration it's around three general areas. number one, border security. possibly a trigger before anything else is happen and rand talked about that. fixing legal immigration as well allowing more people to come here legally and allowing people to work our farms and hotel industries and so forth. dealing with the 11 million people who are here already. for the last several years it seems like every time we talk about immigration we focus on the 11 million