barney schultz story. he was a knuckle ball pitcher. he hated going out to the mound with gibson there because bob would say barney, you threw a knuckle ball. i throw fast balls. i don't throw a knuckle ball so how can you help me. one night in philadelphia, in the second inning, a rare gibson start, he had given opposition or seven earned runs through one and two, right, right. and red sent barney up to take gibson out of the game. and barney, it was an interminable time. i was playing first that night, ted was the kitcher, we're all waiting for the fireworks. barney got to the edge and bob said barney, where have you been. i had been getting hit up out here and you've been sitting in the background. a competitor, most difficult friend. >> charlie: most difficult friend. >> most difficult friend. >> charlie: why a difficult friend. >> because most people are not willing to go through what bob gibson, what he put you through to ultimately become his friend. once you get to that level, then you're happy you went through it. >> charlie: wh