i think the difference from barnum, say, to now is there was a notion that barnumed had i am an expert, and also he would trot out sort of fake experts. but ultimately, he gave the power to people to decide i'm an expert. i can see that. that looks like a mermaid to me. he had a famous fake mermaid. or that doesn't look like a mermaid. that was part of the interest in the show. and now there's a kind of assertion there is no expert, you know? the scientists don't matter, climate change, eh, maybe, you know? there's a kind of really fascinating denial of expertise at all. and that, i think, becomes even more troubling and more of a difficult position to be in. >> host: bunk is the name of the book, it's coming out in november. the rise of hoaxes, humbug, plagiarists, post-facts and fake news. kevin young is the author. thanks for joining us. >> guest: thanks for having me. great to see you. >> sunday on "in depth," american educator, tea party activist, author and attorney crisanne hall is our guest. >> and for different reasons, everybody has an idea that the federal government is out

. >> host: why do you start with barnum? >> guest: he's at the center of american culture. helping to invent of what we now think of pop culture. he took the side show which was always a thing but made it professional and people pay money and go to elegant places to see these figures of dubious origin that he would concock. barnum, famous early hopes, the one that sort of got him going as successful showman was his display of a woman joic heff and pretended that he was george washington's nurse and took her around the northeast and said, come see george washington's nurse maid and sort of connecting to george washington, the father of our country and people, you know, physically examined her. it was very troubling mostly because then she dies and then he has a medical theater where he dissects her in front of people. yeah, it gets pretty intense but he realized, oh, she wasn't that old that was also part of the hoax, the revelation. that's talking a lot about the idea about not only what you could say and make it almost patriotic to believe in this hoax but also that questi

barnum? >> r&m is a fascinating figure. is helping to invent what we now think of as pop culture. he invented our notions of the service, to the sideshow domain of professional and people pay money and go to allocate places to see these figures that he was kind of concoct. a lot of them are centered around race. one of the most famous early hope of a successful showman wise to play the woman joyce and he pretended she was -- [inaudible] 161 years old in to occur around the northeast instead comes the away of sort of connecting to george washington, the father of our country and physically examined her. it's very troubling because he has a medical theater where he dissects her. it gets pretty intense. he also then reveals that's also part of the hoax, in that top 10 a lot about this idea of not only what you could say and make it almost patriotic to believe, but also the questioning or wondering about it was also part of the hoax. he was really great at making that part of it and you see that now they are just as important as the revelation that they are fake. that kind of circle a

. >> he was most inspired by barnum, walt disney and bill vek.e decided the decision was speeding up the game, making it fun but providing non-stop entertainment. >> baseball needs to change. the reality is, if you look at all the top businesses now, they're being disrupted every single day. they're new and unique to go with today's culture. baseball has remained the same for over 100 years. it was a great game and it still is a great game, but it needs to change if it's going to be the great game of the future. and throughout the first few years, we learned so much. what happened was that everyone started paying attention to the team and attendance started skyrocketing. >> then he and his new wife and business partner, emily, had an unexpected offer they just couldn't refuse. the owner of the team wanted to sell. >> everyone looks at me and says, you're a younger person. how do you buy a baseball team? i go, you take on a lot of debt. it's as simple as that. it was a lot of responsibility but really gave us this unbelievable feeling of ownership

stuart: i once called him pt bar numb -- barnum. elon musk does grab headlines and does live on tax credits but now emerged as a visionary and a successful one at that. what he has done a take a futuristic concept and turn it into reality. by the end of this year 5,000 tesla model 3 cars a week will roll off the production line at the plant in free month, california. 10,000 a week next year. advance orderers for 450,000 of them. musk says he has no worry that he can meet the demand. middle-income car on the market and elon musk built it and the tesla company is now worth $53 billion. general motors, only 50 billion. just wait till you see where tesla stock is headed first this morning. you get it all on the program. the watch is enraged by the trump's immigration tramp and mr. trump will reveal new plan for trade with china. varney &company about to begin. ♪ ♪ ♪ stuart: we are starting from record close yesterday. 22,000 and 16. tesla, that stock is going straight up at the opening bell. the official reason is that they lost less mo

barnum?. >> he is a fascinating figure because he is helping to invest of what we now call pop culture. he touched the side show but they negative professional. in d.c. these figures of dubious origin many of them were centered around race and the one that got them going and was a black woman with 161 years old and going around the northeast to be george washington's nurse made. but to physically examine her. because then she dies and then yes. but then to reveal is the of revelation. that is the idea not only of of what you could say to believe that that was part of the hope that i use the that now those accusations are just as important. some of that circle is part of barnum's legacy. >> donald trump signals a troubling mindset. it is a the absent or contested. >> yes. i don't think i am alone when i say these types of questions but those almost predate our current situation from conspiracy theories but it d bunk these notions of what is that about i'm interested in tracing why do we have th

some of that circle is part of barnum's legacy. >> donald trump signals a troubling mindset. it is a the absent or contested. >> yes. i don't think i am alone when i say these types of questions but those almost predate our current situation from conspiracy theories but it d bunk these notions of what is that about i'm interested in tracing why do we have that at all? sows citizenry in patriotism and those big cosmic things better part of our fabric as a nation to be resurrected. it is even hard now with president trump it is hard to unsubtle that so with that bursa for to - - per certificate of president obama so why do we believe as much as we deceive. >> why do we?. >> so the fed is on who we are but those who they want to believe with those programs in the absence of the answer that is complicated or troubling but because my discomfort is hidden from me. so there was a notion that barnum had that i was an expert but he gave the power to the people to say i of an expert. that looks like a mermaid. so now there is the assertion. so there is a fascinating denial of expertise

and the show is produced by failed entertainment the same company that owns ringling brothers and barnumley circus until it closed for good. after 146 years in operation. >> why do people want this now and they don't want the circus? >> people love entertainment. people want to be entertained. when you can bring a stunt show. i don't think anybody ever matched to this level. >> when i was a kid, it was an elephant. and a tired bear. this was all we got. >> we have a few other tricks up our sleeve. with flight automation and incredible projections. >> this is the main brain for the video system. we have projectors all over the set. we project the image of the set. >> we have 23 or 24 semi trucks that travel with us from city to city. the group spends between two and three days setting it up every week. >>> are this is the bread and butter and it's what we see in the show all over the place. >>s are this is between shows all week. >> you have to make this look good. our creative team is amazing. this is not a sit down show. we are in two days and do four days of performances. up to to 10 s

trump's chief strategist steve bartman has left the white house even before donald trump took office barnum was seen as a key figure in his team or every spent only six months as the president's chief tactician a white house statement explained the decision for berman's the parcher as a mutual one in the return to being the executive chairman of breitbart news one commentator we spoke to died berman's exit will help trump in the long run. and it is the one guy in the white house that the deplorable like they know him they like him they admire him and the fact that he's been hated by the media and hated by all the lefties is just the. icing on the cake for these people they will they like him they you know the fact that he's being and that bennett is being attacked raises him in there and there are steam so the fact that trump fired him will hurt trump it's going to i think the white house polling is going to show him after this sinks in to everybody that it's hurt him with his own base it's not something he going to afford by the way this from a political standpoint obama is the latest in a

we'd -- we did the pt barnum posters. we have done all kinds of different projects to raise the money because history matters. it matters a lot. is gone, it is gone. we cannot let it be gone. it is the report and where we come from. where we are going. it is linked. they are linked. we take that very seriously. my novels, i'm trying to bring awareness. i've done a wide range of things and the smithsonian is my latest example. >> tonight -- responsecial and legal to the issues that black men have is to lock us up, to put us in cages, to stop and frisk of, to treat us as citizens whose rights other people do not respect. we are not full citizens of the united states. professor paulaw bowler looks at the u.s. criminal justice system and its impact on african-american men. >> there has never been a time where community relations has been anywhere near good. werer a long time, if you a black person and called the police to report a crime, if you were the victim, the police did not pay that much attention to it. now the sense i

we did the pt barnum posters. they were deteriorating and needed to be saved. we have done all kinds of different projects to raise the money because history matters. it matters a lot. once it is gone, it is gone. we cannot let it be gone. it is the report and where we -- it is very important where we come from. where we come from is where we are going. it is linked. they are linked. we take that very seriously. my novels, i'm trying to bring awareness. i've done a wide range of things and the smithsonian is my latest example. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] >> coming up this weekend on american history tv on c-span3, tonight at 10:00 eastern on real america, the u.s. office of war film "why we fight: the battle of china." >> three fax the never must be forgotten. that never must be forgotten. china is history. china is land. china's people. sunday at 11:30 p.m. eastern, author robert wright on how ale

we did the pt barnum museum with old posters that were deteriorating and needed to be saved. we have done all kinds of different projects to raise the money because history matters. it matters a lot. once it is gone, it is gone. we cannot let it be gone. we have to know where we came from. it is very important where we came from. because where we came from is where we are going. it is linked. they are linked together. we take that very seriously. in my novels, i'm trying to bring awareness to those things. i've done a wide right of historical stuff and the smithsonian is just the latest example. >> monday night. >> hackers hack humans. >> we are at the conference in las vegas talking about cyber security and cyber threats. >> it is not easy to keep patching a large organization month after month. today, we have to think of proactive defense. we cannot keep reacting to attacks anymore. we have turned the whole concept around. we set booby-traps. we have to create customized environments. we have to engage in threat hunting. >> watch monday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. >>

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barnum was of the opinion that it really didn't matter what was happening what mattered was what peoplethought was happening that perception was more important than reality and in the art of the deal trump basically echoes that on multiple occasions you know talking about how to kind of flim flam people how to get the publicity all this kind of stuff so it seems to me like this tax. plan which is literally one sheet of paper with some bullet points i mean this is not legislation this is not a serious proposal it's insane that it's even being treated like such by by people in congress and by the press frankly it seems to me that this is just p.r. this is just for his base of and by his base i'm talking about his donor base in the in the coax and the other billionaires who support him and who support of the republicans absolutely he's doing what he said he was going to do and so much as well which is the take care of his take really well being fred. i mean that's why i said earlier it's not a surprise so like he keeps check checking the boxes he's going down his list check check check che

barnum?. >> he is a fascinating figure because he is helping to invest of what we now call pop culture. he touched the side show but they negative professional. in d.c. these figures of dubious origin many of them were centered around race and the one that got them going and was a black woman with 161 years old and going around the northeast to be george washington's nurse made.

trump is a pt barnum, a huckster salesman. what he sold was excitement.ou look at consumer sentiment from the university of michigan, you will see it peaked in january. as we got more deep into the trump administration, it started to level off until it started to roll over. if you look at these soft surveys that are more emotional than facts -- the soft versus hard data -- what you will see is as we got through the first quarter, especially what we saw with obamacare not been repealed, the height started to dissipate, and there was a question with what carson was saying earlier -- building on the dysfunctionality. we have classic gridlock in washington. consumers and household saw that. companies did not necessarily buy into the trump hype, but there is a volatility in the euphoria. if you look at the growth, it has have over the past six months. it has been on a downslope. the excitement has gone away. people are looking at the pocketbook and saying my income is not growing as fast as it was a few months ago. i now have to work within that context of les

stuart: i once called him pt bar numb -- barnum.ed as a visionary and a successful one at that. what he has done a take a futuristic concept and turn it into reality. by the end of this year 5,000 tesla model 3 cars a week will roll off the production line at the plant in free month, california. 10,000 a week next year. advae

barnum for salesmanship.u think of a blend of those these people, you get a sense how trump operates. so i want you to think about a couple core principles, one of the books you should get after reading "understanding trump" is by tom evans and called the education of ronald reagan. the reason it matters, it's a small book, but the reason it matters is evans goes back to look at the eight years that reagan works for general electric. and general electric had a very sophisticated education program for their employees. and the reason was they had seven unions, two more communist and five of them were very left-wing. and they knew they couldn't negotiate with the leaders in the unions because they were hard-core committed wingers, but they could educate the members about economic reality so that they would not vote for a strike. so they built a very elaborate education program. and they wanted a happy, positive celebrity to be the front face of the program. so they hired reagan who is at the end of his movie car

he is pt barnum, his sister a federal judge told his biographer in 2005.al complex had been annexing presidential politics far more than half a century. trump's campaign and presidency are its ultimate expression. let's take a step back. the thesis of this piece is that america has lost its mind. >> that in a word. >> is that fair? >> yeah. >> okay. and not to go through the spire 500 years, but how did we get here? >> let's just do the last 50 or so. there were strains of this for various reasons in our international bloodstream. we can believe whatever we want, a good thing. we can attempt possible things, good thing. all these things, but then, i argue in the late 60s, it got kind of out of control with the reality checks and balances with dream the impossible dream. in the 60s from my quote, really starting with jfk but then ronald reagan and bill clinton as well, presidential politics did become a kind of subset of entertainment, and cable news didn't encourage that as well. and so once a reality show guy like donald trump is running for president and

barnum and you get a sense of how trump operates. one of the books you should get shortly after reading understanding trump is by tom evans, and it's called the education of ronald reagan. now, the reason it matter it's a very small book but the reason it matters is evans goes back and looks at the eight years that reagan works for general electric. and general electric had a very sophisticated education program for their employees and the reason was they had seven unions, two of them communist and five were very left wing, and they knew they couldn't negotiate with the leaders of the unions because they were hard core committed left wingers but they could educate the members about economic reality so they would not vote for a strike. so they built a very elaborate education program and they wanted a happy positive celebrity to be the front face of the program. so they hired reagan at the end of his movie career and reagan spent eight years criss crossing the country, giving speeches largely to blue collar workers and having pictures