alongside me, the baroness claire fox . fox, the baroness claire fox. the academy of ideas, and daniel moylan, a conservator of peer in the house of lords . i conservator of peer in the house of lords. i just want to respond, though, to that news that broke about the leader that just broke about the leader of the wagner group, yevgeny prigozhin. remember him ? one of prigozhin. remember him? one of the most famous hot dog sellers . he started his career. he became known to us all, didn't he? perhaps june, time for a very peculiar coup . that wasn't very peculiar coup. that wasn't a coup. that all got very complicated and he is complicated and heated. he is on a list, apparently for a passenger list, apparently for a passenger list, apparently for a plane , a private plane that a plane, a private plane that has crashed . so i have to say, has crashed. so i have to say, we don't have official confirmation that he is boarded the . so we can't we don't the plane. so we can't we don't know whether or not he's died or not, but he's certainly on the passenger a

welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry seven baroness claire fox.i was going to call you fox. fox i was going to call you fox foxy . that was combination. >> you call me at school. >> that was the combination of the red fox and director. i blended it together there. anyway, director of the academy ofideas anyway, director of the academy of ideas paul embry of of ideas and paul embry of firefighter trade union firefighter and trade union alongside me too. now one of the big stories today, we know that the nhs is in an absolute mess now about 7.6 million of us on the waiting list at absolute shambles and a disgrace. notwithstanding it though , the notwithstanding it though, the junior doctors have gone out on strike again today for days. this time we know the details by now, don't we? they are wanting pay now, don't we? they are wanting pay restoration back to 2008. that would be a whopping 35% pay rise . now, the junior doctors rise. now, the junior doctors have been given 6% plus £1,250, which works out on average about 9. so i'm asking you tonight

it's the wonderful baroness claire fox. thank you very, to great have very, very much.how. worried you on the show. are you worried then push for net zero then that this push for net zero might lead to or has might actually lead to or has led to, frankly, the destruction of democracy and dare i say it, even tyranny? >> well, certainly i don't know about the word tyranny, but you're absolutely nail on head with the anti—death democratic nature of this. >> and it takes a number of forms. on the one hand, you've got the idea that the science shows so you're told there's no debate, there's no point in trying to against anything trying to argue against anything in relation to decarbonising society, because otherwise we're all going to, you know, be up in smoke. you know, that kind of argument . and it's the experts argument. and it's the experts who've told us this. and secondly, when they brought in the change act in 2008, the climate change act in 2008, which at the time nobody hardly noficed which at the time nobody hardly noticed , it set in train a whole noticed, it set