it's pauline neville—jones, baroness neville—jones, who is a former diplomat and a former minister and chair of thejoint intelligence committee. hello. and we'll speak to author, journalist and expert misha glenny. hello, misha. hello. he was the author of mcmafia, which was then turned into a super—glitzy tv show. press any number. what number? any number, mama. the year i was born. nothing's happening. now press zero. siren blares. misha, before we talk about the serious stuff, the showbiz stuff, the tv show is fiction but your book is actual fact, isn't it? that's right, yes. mine was a nonfiction book and then transformed into a fabulous drama by hossein amini, the writer, and james watkins, the director. now, baroness neville—jones, i mean this in the nicest way, but you've been in this world for a few decades now. did the stuff that came out today about what russia's been doing surprise you in any way or did you just think, oh, here they go again! more here they go again. however, i think that anybody who is engaged in that kind of work would have known there was a threat, and th

baroness neville—jones is the former chairman of the joint intelligence committee. shejoins me now.fternoon. a while ago i was the chair of the joint intelligence committee, not recently. the chair of the joint intelligence committee, not recentlylj the chair of the joint intelligence committee, not recently. iwas the chair of the joint intelligence committee, not recently. i was no investigation once? is it because they were afraid they might find it? —— why was there no investigation launched? it was more to do with eyes elsewhere. you have to think to the climate in which people are operating in and i‘m not saying this isa operating in and i‘m not saying this is a good reason but i think it is pa rt is a good reason but i think it is part of the context. the preoccupation is very much still a terrorism and the resources of the agencies were very much directed in that area. with relatively little resource then devoted to conversion and the kind of activities the russians were devoted do. those had increased. i didn‘t detect, i must say, the government was response, any real inclin