i barrault elements from an 1838 essay by james fennel or cooper. there are 4 characteristics, a man of the people, person of the people is how they identify. the second, they trigger great emotional reactions from people. they use those irrational -- emotional reactions for political benefits and the most important one, they bend or break established rules of governance or law. >> who would you define as an american demagogued? >> q long was the quintessential american demagogue. there have been many other examples from daniel shea, a revolutionary during the time of the constitutional convention. joseph mccarthy, george wallace, david duke has a burst, in louisiana, was a demagogue. and in history, when i talk about -- is beneficial, paradoxically you can have a demagogue, they test establish rules. if the rules are on just a, there's a chapter of british history where a demagogue was used as a term of praise. some demagogues' offer something. they can do good. most of the time, the term accurately is negative for harsh. >> since you brought it up