barrett. barrett. baumgartner. barrett. johnson. barrett. johnson. baumgartner. johnson. bean of florida. johnson. beatty. jeffries. begich. johnson. bell. jeffries. pwepbts -- bentz. johnson. bera. jeffries. bergman. johnson. beyer. jeffries. bice. johnson. biggs of arizona. biggs of arizona. biggs of south carolina. johnson. bilirakis. johnson. bishop. jeffries. boebert. johnson. bonamici. jeffries. b.o.s. johnson. boyle of pennsylvania. jeffries. brecheen. johnson. bresnahan. johnson. brown. jeffries. brownley. jeffries. buchanan. johnson. budzinski. jeffries. burchett. johnson. burlison. johnson. bynum. jeffries. calvert. johnson. cammack. johnson. carbajal. jeffries. carey. johnson. carson. carson. carter of georgia. johnson. carter of louisiana. jeffries. carter of texas. johnson. casar. jeffries. case. jeffries. casten. jeffries. castor of florida. jeffries. castro of texas. jeffries. cherfilus-mccormick. jeffries. chu. jeffries. ciscomani. johnson. cisneros. jeffries. clark of massachusetts. jeffries. clarke of new york. jeffries. cleaver. jeffries. cline. johnson

one of his appointees, amy coney barrett, went along with the liberals on the court. alito was just chatting with trump on the phone about a job for a former clerk. john roberts strikes me as protecting donald trump, his feelings, his ability to act bold boldly as he said in his idruling that donald trump has absolute community and he can commit any crime he wants. i am shocked. i just assumed john roberts is there to protect trump at all costs. >> roi think that's absolutely right. there is a tension between roberts' fealty to donald trump and his fealty to the legitimacy of the court. >> 100%. what i want to talk to you about is we have covered a lot of criminal trials and cases and you wrote a whole book about incarceration, particularly incarceration of people of color. i was a couple weeks old finding out donald trump could be wconvicted of a 34 count felon and still not be called a felon simply because he had not been sentenced. i didn't know that was the rule. i thought that might be news to young black and brown defendants that until they are actually sentence

amy coney barrett voted with the majority.there were a core four who believed that this was significant enough to say huh-uh, not pulling this nonsense. >> that's right. and the division on the court reflects how troubling the case is overall. what this trial level judge has done in manhattan is to hold a presidential candidate first now a president-elect to his courtroom on a short leash his case one of the issues most concern with voters. and it obviously is an equal concerned a at least among four justices. >> charlie this case such a tragedy. extraordinary cases allowing the go forward normal course to the appellate. we have serious problems facing this country. president trump doesn't need one more thing to deal with. that's my view i think they saw what it was in the dissent and unfortunately five that disagreed. look, i guess it was a close call according to professor turley. >> charlie: important point whether you voted for donald trump or not part of those 59%, 06% of americans. pollsters they're hopeful we can move i

barrett. barrett. baumgartner. barrett. johnson. barrett. johnson. baumgartner. johnson. bean of florida. johnson. beatty. jeffries. begich. johnson. bell. jeffries. pwepbts -- bentz. johnson. bera. jeffries. bergman. johnson. beyer. jeffries. bice. johnson. biggs of arizona. biggs of arizona. biggs of south carolina. johnson. bilirakis. johnson. bishop. jeffries. boebert. johnson. bonamici. jeffries. b.o.s. johnson. boyle of pennsylvania. jeffries. brecheen. johnson. bresnahan. johnson. brown. jeffries. brownley. jeffries. buchanan. johnson. budzinski. jeffries. burchett. johnson. burlison. johnson. bynum. jeffries. calvert. johnson. cammack. johnson. carbajal. jeffries. carey. johnson. carson. carson. carter of georgia. johnson. carter of louisiana. jeffries. carter of texas. johnson. casar. jeffries. case. jeffries. casten. jeffries. castor of florida. jeffries. castro of texas. jeffries. cherfilus-mccormick. jeffries. chu. jeffries. ciscomani. johnson. cisneros. jeffries. clark of massachusetts. jeffries. clarke of new york. jeffries. cleaver. jeffries. cline. johnson

the three so-called liberal justices were joined by amy coney barrett and chief justice roberts. and if you read their short, you know, one half page order, andrea, as i'm sure you've done, you saw that two things were important to the supreme court, or at least to the five justices who thought the sentencing ought to go forward. one is that mr. trump, as an ordinary criminal defendant, can raise issues on appeal in the appellate courts of new york and perhaps the supreme court of the united states, but also obviously important to those five justices was justice, marchand's promise, essentially, that there would be an unconditional discharge, that there would be no other penalties, that attend the conviction that the sentencing would be final today, and there would be no encumbrance upon the office of the president. and that mattered. now, this case or something like it may come back to the supreme court when mr. trump initiates an appeal of the underlying conviction. does the majority hold? does the immunity decision that we got from the supreme court earlier this i'm sorry, las

chief justice roberts and justice barrett barrett, being a trump appointee who voted for the rule of law, who voted to let the sentencing go forward if anyone wanted the supreme court, i think mershon comes out the winner. he gets his sentencing to go forward. the rule of law wins the day. >> very briefly. i will say it's sort of full circle here and sort of inside baseball. but justice sotomayor, she was a former manhattan prosecutor. oh, wow. under morgenthau, that's true. come full circle. >> so it's she's the one handing down. >> look where it starts and look where it ends. >> this is also a reminder to me that the supreme court can act very quickly when they want to after, you know, i'm thinking back to earlier this year and the election interference case and how we waited and waited and waited for a decision on that and for them to hear it. and this is a 180 in that respect, from what we've seen of this court, does this decision, this five four decision that they gave, allowing the sentencing to proceed and give you any clue as to how they could decide a case should it come bac

chief justice roberts and amy coney barrett siding with the three liberals. deciding the first the alleged evidentiary violations of president elect trump state court trial can be addressed in the ordinary course of appeal. second, the burden that sentencing will impose on the president elect's responsibilities is relatively insubstantial in light of the trial court's stated intent to impose a sentence of unconditional discharge after a brief virtual hearing. justices thomas, gorsuch, and alito, they say they would've granted the stay. go figure. with the decision, trump will be the first convicted felon to become president of the united states. breaking barriers right and left these days. he will have to appear virtually and in your courtroom at 9:30 a.m. tomorrow morning for sentencing. the so ruben is a legal correspondent kristy greenberg served as assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york where she was deputy chief of the criminal division. they join me now. let me start with you on the law. you and i talked and i will -- i thought th

it is no surprise that amy coney barrett, somebody to keep your eye on.ause she had actually dissented from the main issue that would have been an issue here so it was really for the presidential immunity decision, it was 5-4. and, this is one where you have the court saying we will treat you like any other defendant. something i take for granted is you know what happens in cases like this, the defendant is sentenced then on appeal, they can raise any an all issues. that's the order of things. here, donald trump said essentially i'm special. i don't want to be sentenced. i want to immediately take an appeal without going through that intermediary step. so it is right the supreme court said no. you can rise this like anyone else. the shocking part of this case is that it was 5-4. to me it means to the extent anyone was looking at bret kavanaugh thinking he was going to be part of a sort of swing of amy coney barrett and bret kavanaugh, he has put his lot in with the arch conservative group. >> and two of those, thomas and alito completely compromised. ther

. >> dana: what might have been going through the minds of justice amy coney barrett and john roberts't want to join the other conservatives on this decision? >> i think, dana, the problem here for roberts and barrett in particular was the path to the supreme court more than the substantive issue. my own belief is that only the court could do what trump was asking for and needed, which was to extend the principle it announced in its july decision how a sitting president can't be subjected to criminal proceedings. extend that to presidents elect. they are dealing with the same underlying concerns. but the problem is, you don't usually make a bee line right to the supreme court. they like regular order. they like you to go to the district court and second circuit and then you get -- >> dana: in this case isn't it a little unusual? the supreme court has discretion as well to say and yet we understand the timeline here. >> there is an instinctive federal notion that you shouldn't interfere with state criminal proceedings. you are dealing with lawyers -- justice barrett has been not forous

chief justice roberts and amy coney barrett sided with the three liberals on the court. deciding that first the alleged evidentiary olations can be addressed in the ordinary course of appeal. second, the burden that sentencing will impose on the president- president-elect's responsibilities is relatively insubstantial after a brief virtual hearing. justices thomas, gorsuch, kavanaugh, and alito say they would have granted the stay, go figure. but with the 5-4 decision, donald trump will be the first convicted felon to become president of the united states. we're just breaking barriers right and left these days. and he will have to appear virtually in a new york courtroom at 9:30 a.m. tomorrow morning for sentencing. lisa rubin is an msnbc correspondent, kristy greenberg was deputy chief of the criminal division. they both join me now. first of all, let me start with you on the law here. you and i talked, and i'll cop to it, i thought there was no way in heck this was going to happen. he was going to pull some rabbit out of a hat. i may have said the words i bet $ton,000

barrett. barrett. baumgartner. >> barrett or barts? >> mike johnson. >> barrett. johnson.nson. >> johnson. baumgartner. >> mike johnson. >> johnson. bean of florida. >> mike johnson. >> johnson. >> beatty. >> hakeem jefferies. >> jeffries. begich. >> mike johnson. >> johnson. bell. >> hakeem jefferies. >> jeffries. bentz. >> johnson. >> johnson. >> barra. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. bergman. >> johnson. >> johnson. beyer. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. bice. >> johnson. >> johnson. >> biggs of arizona. biggs of arizona. biggs of south carolina. >> trump's endorsement of johnson. >> johnson. arakus. >> johnson. >> johnson. bishop. jeffries. boebert. >> mike johnson. >> johnson. bonamichi. >> hakeem jefferies. >> jeffries. bost. >> mike johnson. >> johnson. >> boyle of pennsylvania. >> hakeem jefferies. >> jeffries. johnson. bresnahan. >> johnson. >> johnson. brown. >> hakeem jefferies. >> jeffries. >> brown lee. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. buchanan. >> mike johnson. >> johnson. budzinski. jeffries. burchett. >> the gentleman from louisiana -- >> johnson. burleson. >> johnson. >> joh

amy coney barrett has repeatedly shown destines between herself and donald trump. shown some separation. but especially with coney roberts -- coney barrett and roberts you have some not willing to toe the line. geoff: donald trump wants to make america bigger. he has talked about obtaining greenland from denmark and wants to reclaim the panama canal and wants to turn canada into the 51st state in addition to wanting to rename the gulf of mexico. it is unclear how serious he is. he talked about wanting to take greenland in the first administration. what should we make of this? >> [laughter] look, i'm going to take a page out of rachel maddox's book which is don't listen to what they say but pay attention to what they do. he can talk all sorts of smack about greenland and gulf of america and making canada the 51st state. but, until he actually does something, if he does try to take greenland were rename the gulf of mexico or if he does try to act on these things he is talking about, then i will take him seriously. this is what i learned from the first term, we will d

barrett. >> barrett baumgartner. >> mike. johnson. >> barrett. >> johnson. going back to barrett. >> barrett. >> barrett. johnson. johnson. baumgartner. white. johnson. johnson. being a florida. johnson. johnson beatty. hakeem. >> jeffries. >> jeffries begich. mike. johnson. johnson. bell. hakeem. jeffries. jeffries bentz. johnson. johnson. bera. jeffries. bergman. johnson. johnson. beyer. jeffries. vice. johnson. johnson. biggs of arizona. biggs of arizona. biggs of south carolina. president trump's endorsed candidate. fide johnson. bilirakis. johnson. johnson. bishop hakeem. jeffries. boebert. speaker. mike johnson. johnson. bonamici. jeffries. bost. johnson boyle of pennsylvania. jeffries. racine. johnson. bresnahan johnson. johnson brown. hakeem. jeffries. jeffries. brownlee. jeffries. jeffries. buchanan. mike. johnson. johnson. brodzinsky. jeffries. burgett. gentlemen. johnson. burleson. johnson bynum. jeffries. jeffries. calvert. johnson. johnson. cammack mike. johnson. johnson. >> while the voting is going on, there were two individuals, two republica

it's no surprise that amy coney barrett, who is somebody to keep your eye on because she had actually from the main issue that was -- that would have been an issue here. to it was for the presidential immunity decision, it was really 5-4. and this is one where essentially you have the court saying we are going to treat you like any other defendant. something that i take for granted is you know how what happens in cases like this? the defendant, if he or she is convicted, they are then sentenced and then on appeal they can raise any and all issues. that's the order of things. here donald trump said, essentially, i'm special. i don't want to be sentenced. i want to immediately take an appeal without going through that intermediary step even though everyone else does that. so it's right that the supreme court said, no, that's not the way it works. you can raise this like anyone else. the shocking part of this case is that it was 5-4. it's that you have four justices and to me it means, to the extent anyone was looking at brett kavanaugh and thinking he was going to be part of a sort of s

were in the majority alongside chief justice john roberts and fellow conservative justice amy coney barrett stated that the issues trump wanted to raise, quote, can be addressed in the ordinary course of an appeal. they also noted the burden that sentencing imposes on trump is, quote, relatively unsubstantial because he will not be receiving prison time. trump's legal team argued the president-elect should be immune from criminal proceedings because of the supreme court's ruling last year on presidential immunity. but judge juan merchan and a state appeals court judge had already denied those arguments before the case reached the high court. the sentencing is now set to take place at 9:30 this morning in new york city with trump expected to appear virtually. judge merchan made it clear last week that he would not be including any prison time for the president-elect, trump responded to the supreme court's decision during a round table with republican governors at mar-a-lago last night. >> they acknowledged what the judge said about no penalty, there is no penalty, but we're going to appeal a

are we surprised by amy coney barrett in this or not?, justice barrett has been plaguing more and more of aole central role or centrist role of the court. c is often voting with the left of the court. she is sort of carving out her own voice and her own place. i don't want to condemn her for n it. >> it is her prerogative.>> >> she is a very thoughtful jurist. what she did here is consistent what appellateha judges do. they really prefer overwhelmingly to have thesehesh cases completed. they can review the whole case. they hate interlock at torrey appeals and they hate these things coming up and partial form. she is consistent in that regard. >> laura: any time you sayin interlock a dory appeal onth "the laura ingraham" it is timeu to take a pause.st thank you, i got credit for that, thank you so much. >> thank you periods payment confirmation hearings for trump cabinet nominees begin next week and democrats are trying to h derail them. x is reporting chuck schumer is telling hifis party, get this, o create fireworks at ther earrings. he

so first, amy coney barrett, definitely keep your eye on her. >> she she surprised more than once. decision that was sort of heavily criticized by me and many other people. she on important ways was in dissent. so it was really in many key ways a 5 to 4 decision. so that's why keep your eye on her in the future for independence. and i think sort of honesty and integrity in terms of how she appears to be handling herself in the court. the surprise here was that chief justice flipping and going from because amy coney barrett seemed pretty clear, was going to vote along with the three liberal justices. so i was the chief justice who flipped hard to know exactly why. one good sign is that this is really the normal process. and in many ways, what he was saying is the normal rule, if it were any of us, is you go to like, you have a trial, you have sentencing, and then you raise your issues. and that is exactly what he said in his decision, which is this is going to follow the normal processes. it's nice to see the court coming out that way and not treating donald trump, at least in this

amy coney barrett, she was appointed by trump. she'll go along with him. judge roberts. okay. he's another republican. he'll go along to here we go again, a court who's just political. so i think it was a big deal for the rule of law. it's a big deal for respective institutions. it's a big deal for the judiciary, the supreme court, to be independent and to do its job, which is to make rulings on the law devoid of politics. >> so, joey, take us through what we're going to see today. this, of course, set to be virtual. and it seems like trump does have to appear. what are you expecting? >> yeah. so he has indicated that he will appear, you know, as an open question to me whether he would even participate in the proceedings. i think now that the supreme court has weighed in, it certainly gives it more of the impromptu of authority, right, that the court has in new york to conduct this proceeding. so what is this proceeding of which i speak? it's a sentencing. and normally casey, at is sentencing. there's real high drama. you have a prosecutor indicating what they think a sentence

. >> i mean, one thing that i see is the right wing backlash to amy coney barrett. media. the two biggest things that they're talking about outside of the other than the fire, is how mad they are at amy coney barrett for making this ruling. and i think that's my big takeaway, is that you're going to see a lot more attacks on individual judges at the courts, including amy coney barrett, for her rulings to try to pressure her to sort of, you know, to sort of get back in line and line up with trump. and that that, to me is my ultimate takeaway here is that even though, as mollie noted, it's not that monumental. she probably feels it is right now, given how much heat she's getting in the from the right wing megaphone. >> yeah. so to that point, i mean, she she broke ranks. yep. trump knows that. and he is willing to unleash whatever power in the media system against her and make her life probably a living hell in that social space and social media space and the media space. and she's not going to probably be in the same boys club that justice alito and clarence thomas a

the chief justice in judge amy coney barrett failed to do their job. >> laura: sol and mike, both ofthank you so much. mark zuckerberg reveals the truth about the covid censorship the angle was telling you about all along, next. ♪ has been by your side. ontario, canada, a partner connected by shared history, shared values, and a shared vision for what we can achieve together. stable and secure, when the world around us isn't. you can rely on ontario for energy to power your growing economy and for the critical minerals crucial to new technologies. ontario is your third-largest trading partner and the number one export destination for 17 states. our long-standing economic partnership keeps millions of americans working. in a changing world, it's time to bring jobs back home and build together. more workers, more trade, more prosperity, more security. for generations, this ally to the north has been here. and for generations more, we'll still be here. right by your side. [title: ontario, canada] [title: ontario.ca/partner] [title: paid for by the government of ontario] my name is dana

so when i came to barrett, i already knew the city, but i knew it before that when i went downtown here, i could not believe they the extraordinary destruction. i mean it takes, you can destroy a city very quickly, takes an awful long time to rebuild it. occasionally when to come a go with a piece stuff just to have lunch sometimes and meet salvage on this. but i didn't stay though. i didn't like it very much when i i thought it was another city hotel was extraordinary high price. it communications what the come on to how i don't know where else, how it was communications. and even though it's a journalist has a story and he can't send it. he might as well go home. and you had 3 working talents machines, and they could get your locals along the uses bizell, stilted by using lines, intellects, machines from his private business and by roads, london, a man and cyprus. but as we pulled to the mom's group, he had to get hold of extra lines at any cost of this a lot, kind of, by the way, the develop, the site, joseph, and of the i'm of the follow up a lot more that i thought of buddied on my

chief justice john roberts and justice amy coney barrett. they voted with the democratic appointed justices. now this morning, trump's appearance will be virtual. he will not be there, but there will be an audio recording and a forum for trump if he wants to rant. we should note that he is appealing this verdict, but that will not keep it from being rendered today. the sentencing. let's get to the courthouse. cnn's chief legal analyst laura coates, standing by outside laura. >> a day that donald trump thought would never come or perhaps hoped would never come. we remember that it was now, months and months ago, when a jury convicted him of 34 felony counts. he has tried to kick this can down the road, appealing to even the highest court, trying to ensure that he will not convert from a person found guilty to officially a sentenced convicted felon. but here we are in new york city, manhattan, where, frankly, the prosecutor said it all began on this falsified business records case. the catch and kill, prompting the allegations about what has t

in a 5-4 decision, justice roberts and barrett sided with the three liberal justices on the court and denied trump's request. justices thomas, alito, gorsuch, and kavanaugh said they would have granted this. this decision comes one day after we learned justice alito spent time on the phone with donald trump this week discussing a former alito clerk who is now up for a position in the incoming trump administration. alito and trump did not discussi trump's request which had not no yet been filed. but the supreme court was not the only conservative bench to been. the 11th circuit court of appeals rejected his effort to block the release of special council jack smith's reports on trump's efforts to overturn theo 2020 election. trump's legal team was attempting to stop them releasing the report and it initially looked like they might succeed after a favorable ruling by his favorite judge, aileen cannon but the 11th circuit said it could be released as soon as this sunday. we now have two significant judicial rebukes of president- elect donald trump. from two conservative federal courts. an

amy barrett has shown some distance between her and donald trump.f the kavanaugh hearings had not gone -- kavanaugh may have shown some difference but especially with coney barrett and roberts, you have justices who are quite willing to not tow the trump line. >> in addition to vowing to make good to make america great again, he also aparentsly, the president-elect wants to make america bigger. he has talked about obtain guideline from denmark. he wants to reclaim greenland. and this is in addition to wanting to rename the gulf of mexico. it's not clear how serious he was. he talked about taking greenland in the first administration. what should we make of any of this, john? [laughter] >> look. i'm going to take a page out of rachel maddow's book. don't listen to what they say. pay attention to what they do. so he can talk all sorts of smack about greenland and gulf of america and making canada the 5 1st state. , but until he actually does something -- if he does try to take greenland, if he does try to rename the gulf of mexico, if he does try to a

in a 5-4 decision, chief justice john roberts and justice amy coney barrett sided with the three liberal justices. this decision comes just one day after we learned that justice alito spent time on the phone with donald trump this week, discussing a former alito clerk who is now up for a position in the incoming trump administration. according to nbc news, alito and trump did not discuss trump's request, which had not yet been filed. but the supreme court was not the only conservative bench to deny trump a win tonight. moments after the high extort decision tecame down, the 11th circuit court of appeals handed trump another rebuke, rejecting trump's efforts to block the release of special council jack smith's report on trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. trump's legal team was attempting to stop the justice department from releasing that report, and it looked initially like they might succeed after a favorable ruling from trump's favorite district judge, aileen cannon. but tonight, again, the conservative 11th circuit ruled that that report can be released and may be released

one to a cutting luke barrett. right on the money.rett had 10 points and freshman mikey lewis had a big shooting night deal from product 7 for 8 from the floor, including 4 threes. got out ahead of the break. there. he led all scorers with 18 saint mary's destroy san diego. 103, to 56 point. rivalry game in the south bay, santa clara hosting us af for staff look at perry with authority. don's had a 28. 21 lead at the half. but it was all broncos after carlos stewart, 3 of his game-high. 25 santa clara goes on to win. 77 to 54 and also san jose state got a win today against air force civic. 69 62 will do it for sports. thank you very much. >> tonight we are hearing from one of the victims of the eaton fire name is tina campbell wing. and she's among the many people who lost everything in her case after her home was burned to the ground >> my neighbors just touch base with me and they yeah, all our street is gone and our street is on laurel so everything is wish that i have picked up more of my stuff. but so that that safe, you know, ba

that he did not really want to get power stop all this barrett hume —— barrack room humour, that he lovedaust being a detail of the second world war. clearly it was cleverly and sensibly he was cleverly and sensibly he was not denying the holocaust, he was just being offensive, and that is what he liked being, to the point that when he became an old man his daughter and the new generation, while agreeing with his general nationalistic views decided he was a liability and that he was doing more harm to the cause than good, and that is why in a bitter confrontation with him, let go of him ten or 15 years ago and let him live out his years in a bit of a wilderness.— let him live out his years in a bit of a wilderness. few, thank ou. bit of a wilderness. few, thank yon that _ bit of a wilderness. few, thank you. that news _ bit of a wilderness. few, thank you. that news just _ bit of a wilderness. few, thank you. that newsjust coming - bit of a wilderness. few, thank you. that newsjust coming in l you. that news just coming in last few moments that the veteran far right politician jean—marie

>> what about the delay with the merrick garland appointment and the lightning speed of amy coney barrett? >> that's what either majority would do. if you didn't do that and you are in the majority, you essentially what you fail to do what you expect to do if you're in the majority. >> i think if anyone thought that in november or let's say october the was a death in the supreme court that there wouldn't have been a nomination pushed through the democratic senate here, you are not living the l political reality. i think the real challenge here and the real shame of all of this change even for the down ballot which i s voted for, when you are given a lifetime appointment to someone, they should be moreou scrutiny than a four-year political appointment. and i would tell you that to fix this problem you need to get rid of lifetime appointments for the justices. >> including supreme court? >> i totally agree. i think he should be term limited. i think, no, i do. [applause] and i checked the constitutionality, that's a dubious constitutional. but i would want to advance the argument and i will

then you have the three trump justices, justices gorsuch, kavanaugh and barrett, appointed in 2017, 2018, and late 2020. and they effect that those appointments affected a profound realignment on the court. all three were brought up the doctrinal universe that promoted by the doj and the federalist society in the 1980s. and in the world of originalism, textualism being not if not dominant, at least very substantial doctrines, and at least for a time, they given conservatives a solid six vote majority in many very front burner cases. so in the seven years several, dozen cases have sweeping changes in the rights and rules that people have counted on for years and for decades. and i'm just going to mention a few of them here and then i'm going to turn it over to our to our debaters to take on the subject the janis case in 2018 struck down 5 to 4 public employees dues and reversed to a unanimous decision from 1977. the tokyo case in 2018, by a vote of also 5 to 4, upheld non-judicial held i'm sorry held non justiciable all allegations a political jury meandering thereby reversing a case from

the good news was, and i was pleasantly surprised to see justices roberts and barrett stand up and block all that happening. in this case, i think that the breath of fresh air we had is the supreme court that he felt. i put three of y'all there. they were already two conservatives. this is not going to happen. and i'm i'm sure he was stunned that they didn't. and i think it's going to come down to people showing us who they really are. are they in position for the country and to uphold the law, or are they in there to bow to donald trump? the other problem he has is this is he can appeal it, but this is a state conviction. he can't pardon himself. this is not a federal conviction. so he can't pardon himself. he's going to pardon scores if not hundreds of people that rioted and hurt people. he's showing the world who they are. and i guess the minister side of me looks at the whole world, looked at america at its best yesterday as we paid homage to a president that rose from poverty, that rose from a peanut farmer to becoming president of the united states, and then a servant of the people

barrett hayton with an unexpected wrister that finds the back of the net. utah goe dave's been very excited about saving big with the comcast business 5-year price lock guarantee. five years? -five years. and he's not alone. -high five. it's five years of reliable gig speed internet. five years of advanced securit. five years of a great rate that won't change. it's back. but only for a limited time. high five. five years? -nope. comcast business 5-year price lock guarantee. powering five years of savings. powering possibilities. comcast business. that went into effect overnight in los angeles. more than 180,000 people have been forced to evacuate. the total death toll still stands at 11 this morning. number two, the palisades fire is the largest fire burning in los angeles. so far, it's burned over 22,000 acres and is sitting at 11% containment. number three, at least five people have died in the eaton fire burning in altadena. this morning it's burned more than 14,000 acres. and containment is at 15%. number four, the state is launching an investigation in

you can just assume that will roberts and or barrett agree with them and then therefore the conviction to reverse. and quite frankly, we hear about the new york appellate courts being, you know, liberal. they may also say, well, under new york law, it's harmless error, but under this not very well written decision, it's unclear. so donald trump does have a good shot at getting his conviction reversed. but it's not going to happen in a week. it's going to take some time. how long would that something its first he has to go through the appellate division, first department, which could take up to a year or less. it depends how quick you get your briefs and then if they lose or if the prosecution lose, then you can appeal to the new york state court of appeals, which is the highest court. then after you do that, then you go over to the federal court. so that's not going to happen in 2025. >> and guys, we will discuss more about the what's next as we continue throughout this hour. we are going to squeeze in just a very short break. lisa rubin mr. myers, thank you both. everybody else, pleas

so the question is whether roberts and barrett could be brought along. >> and that's an open questionme. >> i'm cynical here. i think the only reason they let this whole sentencing go forward is because judge juan merchan signaled early on that he was not going to incarcerate donald trump. that's why i think they let this go forward. and i do think at the end of the day, once this reaches the court again, that i just cannot imagine that conservatives are going to let this, this conviction stand. i think they're going to overturn it. >> do i think it's quite likely? >> and i totally agree with anthony's assessment. i think if there had been any sense that he might be in some actual danger on friday of some sort of punishment, they would have killed it off. i mean, i think they were fine to let him have a bad press day, but anything more than that, they seem very eager to prevent from happening. >> yeah. okay. can we just talk about what, to me, looks like a conflict, and that is justice samuel alito talking to the president elect on the phone, say about some sort of job thing for someo

. >> and so that's the reason why you saw amy coney barrett and john roberts decide to join with the liberal side of the scotus bench. there was no consequence. it kind of makes you wonder if there had been the very real threat that he, as in donald trump, would have been looking at even probation, a fine, maybe some community service hours. why don't you put donald trump in fire gear and have him go battle the fire in california like some other inmates are doing in california? but the point is, if there had actually been some threat joy, i don't know if he would have seen john roberts and amy coney barrett side with the liberal court. >> and so, you know, i i'm troubled by the fact that mershone didn't even require donald trump to show up for the sentencing today, didn't even give that little amount. >> donald trump could have been sitting on teams in his pajama bottoms after he came out of the bathroom at mar-a-lago, looking at classified documents. >> nobody knows. but he didn't have to show up like every other defendant needed to do. >> so i appreciate the work from judge mershon

the chief justice and justice amy coney barrett, failed to do their job. >> all right. saul. mike, both of you, thank you so much. all right. mark zuckerberg reveals the truth about the covid censorship. the angle was telling you about all along. next. >> are you looking for a walk in tub for you or someone you love? well, look no further. january is national bath safety month, and for a limited time, when you purchase your brand new safe step walk in tub, you'll receive a free safety package. and if you call today, you'll also receive $1,500 off your entire order. yes, $1,500 off the price of your brand new safe step walk in tub. proudly made in tennessee a safe step. walk in tub is the best in its class. the ultra low, easy step helps keep you safe from having to climb over those high walled tubs, allowing you to age gracefully in the home you love. and now you can enjoy the best of both worlds. the therapeutic benefits of a warm, soothing bath that help increase mobility, relieve pain, boost energy, and even improve sleep. or, if you prefer, you can take a refreshing showe

. >> two of the court's conservative justices, chief justice john roberts and justice amy coney barrett, joined the three liberals, making it a 5 to 4 decision. our panel is here, molly ball, cnn legal analyst. no, she is the senior political correspondent at the wall street journal, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor elliot williams is also here. kate bedingfield, cnn political commentator, former biden white house communications director, and brad todd, who's a cnn political commentator and also a republican strategist. welcome to all of you. elliot, were you surprised by this decision? >> yes and no. no. in that it is the right decision legally. now we can set the politics aside, and i'll talk about the legal right. yes. only insofar as nothing has been predictable when it comes to legal matters with respect to donald trump and where the courts are going to go on. so there is an element of surprise to it. legally, it's quite straightforward. in order for donald trump not even, say, donald trump, the defendant, to be able to have his rights as a defendant, to move on with

the chief justice roberts, coney barrett, kagan, sotomayor and jackson. so one of donald trump's appointees, coney barrett, said, no, it should proceed along, of course, with the chief justice. >> so going forward, as we contemplate appeals, what they're focused on is the supreme court's recent immunity decision, where they said presidents cannot be charged for official acts. but you also can't use official acts as evidence. and that's what the trump team is focused on here. they argue that some of the evidence that came in during this trial, which was before this decision, constituted official acts. so conversations he had with hope hicks, other aspects, and they argue that based on that, this entire case should be tossed. and last night's decision, it was considered a long shot that he would prevail there. he got four justices. he only needs one more justice to agree with him on the interpretation of their immunity case. to have this entire conviction overturned. and that, to me, seems like likely, if not highly probable, we're out of time, but i'm just

but amy coney barrett may be right that under the circumstances, agreeing essentially with judge merchan, the only way for this to be tested on appeal is to have allowed that sentencing to go forward. otherwise, what would have happened is this would have been put off until 2029, at which point there may never have been an appeal and it may have been dropped. you know, there would have been a political cost, i think, also to the supreme court's reputation, if they had decided to intervene here, they can always intervene later. and the four votes in the dissent suggest that they're going to keep a close eye on this. i think it's in the country's interest to answer your question, that the appeal go forward and that there be a resolution one way or another. and i think he's got a strong argument, as many people have recognized, to test the validity of this conviction on on a number of grounds, that defendants in courtrooms all across the country, once there's a conviction, are entitled to challenge on appeal. and he may or may not be successful. but i think that's the only way for the count

but, you know, ketanji brown jackson agreeing with amy coney barrett, who's agreeing with elena kagandoes not bode well for tiktok now, just because tiktok goes away on january 19th, as the law requires, i don't think that means it's going away forever. i think that there was enough kind of interest on the supreme court for, for, for different strategies. you know, if chinese owned bytedance divests from tiktok, tiktok can come back as an american owned company. and if it does well, then, well, at that point, tiktok gets all of those free speech rights that me and a lot of other people want to defend, right? so it's kind of like all all they got to do is not do what i told them not to do and they can come back. it's a very mr. blond from reservoir dogs situation for tiktok right now. >> donald trump will be sworn in in the day after tiktok could be banned. he has voiced his objection to the ban. do you think tiktok was also making its arguments to donald trump? and is there anything if we don't get, you know, if trump comes in, is there anything he can do between now and when the cour

so when i came to barrett, i already knew the city, but i knew it before that when i went downtown here, i could not believe they the extraordinary destruction. i mean it takes, you can destroy a city very quickly, it takes an awful long time to rebuild it. occasionally went to the comic go with a piece stuff just to have lunch sometimes with me other janice but i didn't stay though. i didn't like it very much when i thought it was another city hotel was extraordinary high prizes. the coming to a hotel was safe and so you could be there. and it was quite bizarre, really. you could be in the civil safe and save. and then you went out into a very grave civil war under use as i was management, the baby come adult became a global center for news and information or uses. and as i was a young man then, and he seemed to have an extraordinary uncanny ability to know what journalist wanted. and he realized quickly and brilliantly. but the journalist would need festival above all, a good communications. what become auto. hi, there was nowhere else how it was communications. and even though if a j