we don't place the earls here, the barringer, the dukes. no, but we do. and that kind of upper class, middle class, lower class permeates our society and it fascinates me. it's a form of self entitlement and it's a form of discrimination. and i like to see -- not that i like what i'm fascinated to see how it plays out. >> host: in the family you write that the legacy of prescott alcoholism became his destructive to the dynasty as denying its existence was to his immediate failure. prescott bush alcoholic? >> guest: and his son, jonathan bush, took umbrage when this book came out, as did come in, this came out at a very controversial time. >> host: 2005? >> guest: right. and there was -- is something to be denounced by the president of the united states, be denounced by the chairman of the republican national committee, by the press secretary in the white house, by tom delay. everyone was quite upset by this book, but i remember jonathan bush wrote a letter to the editor of "the new york times" book review, and my response is that alcoholism is not a disgr