mark: so, one thing you have been saying is that he is low-energy -- did he seem low-energy barry accorw energy there? mr. trump: no, he seemed a little more dynamic, but you can't force that, and it was a little bit forced. how will you pay for it? we are spending $130 billion right now on illegal immigration. we are spending a fortune on not only the crime and the problems, but a minimum of $130 billion. you are going to pay for it because we are not going to spend that kind of money. that's one way we are going to pay for it. mark: one thing that happens in campaigns is candidates try to get under each other's skin. you seem to have gotten under the skin of some people. does something like that get under your skin? mr. trump: no, not at all. it is one of the things. i an not a politician, haven't been a politician. he is a person -- and i guess he is trying very hard. i used the term "low-energy" -- he is a low-energy person by nature, and it's ok, there's nothing wrong with that. i know some wonderful low-energy people, in fact they are some of the nicest people i know, but that doe