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one of our lead analysts, barry banister says u.s. sitting here in q 3 2012. china is a few years behind that big data out of those guys. >> mandy, i think i might be able to answer your question to david as well. con gillis, bgc partners, according to am saying they sold 100 million ipads so far that would imply they sold about 16 to 17 million in the third quarter. which would put the sales rate in the third quarter below the current consensus for ipad sales. not as much disappoint. >> could be the refresh cycle, guys, you are right. >> we got to leave it there, guys. reiterate that munster, he will be on our show later on today along with paul reynolds from "consumer reports." let's get a market flash, find out what is going on out there in stocks world with kayla tausche h. >> we are watching shares of wells fargo down amid the broader market, which is being led down by the financial sector. all bank stocks trading down today. wells did spike a little bit earlier off of its lows and that was on news that announced a 22 cent dividend and increased its share