john: our thanks to barry bennett., j mark from "the new york times." ♪ mark: we mentioned it earlier in the show. the political establishment has determined this is a two-man race. a lot of people we talked to said it's going to come down in 44-year-oldwo first-term cuban-american senators, marco rubio and ted cruz. rubio had a good weekend after the release of his charge card statements showed that there was no big there there, and the cruise campaign in iowa over the weekend, he worked to satisfy -- solidify his status as the darling of the right. here to talk to us about why the establishment is thinking cruise-rubio is the "new york times" jonathan martin. i'm sure some people you have talked to have said, this is going to come down to cruz- rubio. where did that materialize? jonathan: i think process of elimination, looking at this race. a lot of folks looking at this saw walkere back drop out, saw jeb struggle, and you go through it, and i think a lot of those people are coming to the conclusion that trump and c

convened by ben carson's campaign manager barry bennett, the 14 campaigns sought greater control in "we are burdened by the fact that we have got so many good candidates. i think they should all have a chance to speak. we are going to figure out what - if we can come to some consensus about how they do that."in a sign of dissatisfaction with the republican national committee, the campaigns specifically did not include the r-n-c in sunday's meeting... ...instead inviting republican lawyer and debate negotiator ben ginsberg as an impartial facilitator . "the information flow has not been nearly what it's been in past years."after the meeting, these demands emerged: a two-hour time limit, 30 seconds for opening and closing statements, and equal speaking time for each candidate. and if those demands aren't met... something of a veiled threat to cut broadcast media out of the debate process: "i think we can look beyond television partnerships - facebook and twitter and google and youtube - they would all host a debate."i'm reid binion, reporting. the next republican debate will air on fox

campaigns met behind closed doors for nearly two hours last night.ben carson's campaign manager barry bennett, said if their demands aren't met, they could lookok beyond television. "i think we can look beyond television partnerships - facebook, twitter, google, and youtube - they would all host a debate. they would all provide immediate feed for every television and broadcaster in america. you know, it is 2015 and not t 80 and we can do things a little differently." differently."the demands call for including the r-n-c in coordinating with network hosts, mandatory opening and closing statements, an equal number of questions for the candidates, and pre-approval of on-screen graphics.it's important to note the media companies hosting the debates, are not obligated to follow these rules. two candidates are getting ready to come to eastern iowa tomorrow.republican john kasich will be in dubuque tomorrow morning.at eleven, the ohio governor will hold a town hall meeting at loras college.on the democratic side - front-runner hillary clinton will be in coralville for a town hall meeting.that event

the campaign barry bennett spoke with politico, and if you read the entire politico story, there are tradictions in the story, and if you read below, barry makes it clear that dr. carson was at an event, and he can't recall where the event was, but one of the highpoints is that general westmoreland or somebody associated with him were there and they were honoring someone, and afterwards there was a meet ing where where they discussed the fact that he had very good grades as an rotc person, and he should apply for west point. because all of us knows that if you are accepted to west point, it is an automatic scholarship, and because he was flattered and never followed through or applied, because he knew that medicine was his calling. >> in the book, and this is book "gifted hands" he writes about the meeting that he had with general westmoreland who was the top general in the vietnam war. it is a meeting that he had with his own sergeant hunt who was his high school rotc director, and he said that i had dinner with general westmoreland and i was offered an appointment to west point. all

convened by ben carson's campaign manager barry bennett, the 14 campaigns sought seeking greater control in setting the terms for the debate. "we are burdened by the fact that we have got so many good candidates. i think they should all have a chance to speak. we are going to try to figure out if we can come to some consistency about how they do that." in a sign of dissatisfaction with the republican national committee, the campaigns specifically did not include the r-n-c in sunday's meeting... ...instead inviting republican lawyer and debate negotiator ben ginsberg as an impartial facilitator . "the information flow has not been nearly what it's been in past years."after the meeting, these demands emerged: a two-hour time limit, 30 seconds for opening and closing statements, equal speaking time for each candidate. and if those demands aren't met... something of a veiled threat to cut broadcast media out of the debate process: "i think we can look beyond television partnerships - facebook, twitter, google, and youtube - they would all host a debate. you know, it is 2015 "i'm reid binion,

convened by ben carson's campaign manager, barry bennett, the 14 campaigns sought greater control in for the debate. >> we are third -- i think they also have a chance to speak. we will figure out what, if we can come to something consistent about how they do that. >> in a sign of dissatisfaction with the republican committee, campaign selfly did not include the rnc in sunday's meeting. instead, inviting republican lawyer and debate negotiator ben ginsberg as an impartial facilitate or. >> the information flow has not been nearly what it has been in past years. >> after the meeting, these demands emerged. a two-hour time limit, 30 seconds for opening and closing statements, and equal speaking time for each candidate. and if those demand aren't met, something of availed threat to cut broadcast media out of the debate process. >> television partnerships, facebook, twitter, google, and youtube, they would all -- >> cbs-3, "eyewitness news". >>> 5:23 right now, new house speaker paul ryan says the gop will not work with president obama on immigration reform. the topic came up during a in

campaigns met behind closed doors for nearly two hours last night.ben carson's campaign manager barry bennett, said if their demands aren't met, they could look beyond television. "i think we can look beyond television partnerships - facebook, twitter, google, and youtube - they would all host a debate. they would all provide immediate feed for every television and broadcaster in america. you know, it is 2015 and not 1980 and we can do things a little differently." differently."the demands include bypassing the r-n-c in coordinating with network hosts, mandatory opening and closing statements, an equal number of questions for the candidates, and pre-approval of on-screen graphics.it's important to note the media companies hosting the debates, are not obligated to follow these rules. some of those g-o-p canidates stumped in iowa this weekend. four candidates -- carly fiorina -- rick santorum -- chris christie and marco rubio -- were at a rally friday in northwest iowa.christie and rubio also were at a different republican forum in des moines on saturday with ted cruz and bobby jindal. democrat

campaigns met behind closed doors for nearly two hours last night.ben carson's campaign manager barry bennett, said if their demands aren't met, they could look beyond television. "i think we can look beyond television partnerships - facebook, twitter, google, and youtube - they would all host a debate. they would all provide immediate feed for every television and broadcaster in america. you know, it is 2015 and not 1980 and we can do things a little differently." differently."the demands include bypassing the r-n-c in coordinating with network hosts, mandatory opening and closing statements, an equal number of questions for the candidates, and pre-approval of on-screen graphics.it's important to note the media companies hosting the debates, are not obligated to follow these rules. some of those g-o-p canidates stumped in iowa this weekend. four candidates -- carly fiorina -- rick santorum -- chris christie and marco rubio -- were at a rally friday in northwest iowa.christie and rubio also were at a different republican forum in des moines on saturday with ted cruz and bobby jindal. democrat

barry bennett with ben carson's campaign said the republican national committee will not call the shots. >> the rnc has sanctioned eight more debates. what we're asking is asking those sanctioned broadcast partners to give us some information so we can talk with them and decide what the format is. >> reporter: the campaigns will push for guaranteed opening and closing statements and commitments to distribute questions more evenly. ben ginsberg, a long-time rnc legal adviser. >> now it's time to make a course correction. >> 15% still leaves you with a 1.1 -- >> reporter: candidates like carson say they want constraints on debate moderators. >> we should have moderators who are interested in disseminating the information about the candidates as opposed to, you know, gotcha. you did this. and defend yourself on that. >> reporter: as for defending, jeb bush after three mediocre debates has had to do plenty of it. >> i'm a grinder. i mean, when i see that i'm not doing something well, then i reset and i get better. >> reporter: bush tried unsuccessfully to get the better of ally turned rival

barry bennett withthen carson's cacaaign said the republblan national committee will not call the shots. >> the rnc has sanctioned eight more debates. what we're doing is asking those sanctioned brobdcast partners to give us some information so we can talk with them and decide what the f fmat is. >> reporter: the campaigns will push for guaranteed opening and closing statements and commitments to distribute questions more evenly. ben ginsberg, a long-time rnc legal adviser. >> now it's time to make a course correreion. >> 15% still leaves you with a $1.1 trillion hole -- >> reporter: candidates like carson say they want cstraints on debate moderators. >> we should have moderators who are interested in disseminating the informatatn about the candidates as opposed to, you know, gotcha. you did this. and defend yourself on that. >> reporter: as for defendinin jeb bush aftererhree mediocre debates has had to do plenty of it. >> i'm a grinder. i mean, when i see that i'm not doing something well, then i reser and i get better. >> repepter: bush tried unsuccessfully to get the better of ally

. >> the meeting to take about changing the debate criteria will convene by barry bennett. what has happened with this letter? it pyred that most of the candidates were on board and now they're not. >> about three or four that sent their own letter. i really don't care. learn earlier about what the format is so we can all plan and do a better job. one of us is going to win the nomination. i hope that person wins in the fall. a lot of us is worried about the brand of the party. >> doesn't that letter only work if all the candidates are pretty much on board? >> no. some of these people are asterisks in the polls. they're not going to have a lot of sway. there's not much difference between where mr. trump is and where mr. carson is. >> listen to obama who made fun of the republicans at the debate that they would have to have this meeting and come up with letter. >> these candidates say obama's weak. putin is kicking sand in his face. when i talk to putin he's going to straighten out. just looking at him, and then it turns out they can't handle a bunch of cnbc moderators at a d

barry bennett, ben carson's campaign manager. >>> in the end, i think it was jack welch who said something to the effect these guys will be judged on the enthusiasm they bring to turning this economy around and making this a meaningful recovery, one of the worldest weakest recovers is at stake here. why jack welch says a couple candidates stan out in that record. that's after this. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ >>> we have loot another of leaders sometime that like to tell you how many jobs they created. when they were president. when they were governor, when they were senator, or mayor. and i guess i understand kind of what they're trying to say, but the truth is, presidents, governors, senators, congressmen and majors don't create jobs. the private sector does. >> well, that is certainly true. but as jack welch, those politicians, governor, president, what have you, can lay the groundwork so that the private enterprise can do just that. jack welch, what do you think of what marco rubio is saying? obviously taking a j

convened by ben carson's campaign manager barry bennett, the 14 campaigns sought greater control -- sought greater control in setting the parameters for the debate. >> i think they all should have a chance to speak. >> reporter: in a sign of dissatisfaction with the republican national committee the campaign specifically did not include the rnc in sunday's meeting. instead they invited republican lawyer and the negotiator than ginsburg as an impartial facilitator. >> after the meeting these demands emerged: a two hour time limit, 30 seconds for opening and closing statements and speaking time for each candidate. and if those demands are meant, something -- met, something of a failed threat to cut the media out of the park -- process. >>> facebook, twitter, google, they could all host a debate. >> a new mental health program, laura's law assists outpatient treatment for court-ordered mental health care. the mayor called it an option for family members to help severely ill relatives. >>> a beach vacation takes a terrifying turn when a woman is attacked by a sharp. how witnesses described her

. >> i have spoke to barry bennett carson's campaign manager.e said carson is trying to read up on foreign affairs. he just had lunch in new york city with henry kissinger the former secretary of state you see0h carson's charm early on political amateur someone who has never been in politics before in politics today in 2015 if you don't have a professional operation around you, people like this advisor, go rogue and they cause problems. >> quicklied in the wake of paris, does it cause. >> is he a brilliant man. if you read the article is he not ready to be commander and chief. >> not a matter of picking up a fact here and there it's a matter of having thought about the this for experienced politicians have. he hasn't and that's a liability that you cannot overcome in a short period of time. >> we will see. that's it for the panel, stay tuned for a father and son's heart-warming conversation amid traction. heart healthy idaho potatoes and making donations to local charities. excuse me miss, have you seen our truck? you just missed it. ahhh! aw ma

"outfront" now, barry bennett. you are the man of the moment.breaking news poll, "wall street journal" poll showing dr. carson definitely number one. 29%. that's the highest percentage any gop candidate has gotten so far in this particular poll. that's significant. the election is a year away. hillary clinton was leading barack obama by 20% last time in the last election. can dr. carson maintain this lead? >> yes, because he's the only one who has the vision for making the republican party bigger, bolder and better. >> this is the second national poll that showed dr. carson leading, right? there was one other. this is the second. >> yes. >> trump said, and i'll quote him, i don't get it. are you prepared for him to start attacking dr. carson more now? this is now a second poll, as you heard jeff zeleny say, possibly the beginning of a trend. >> it doesn't matter whether he does or doesn't. again, how to make the party bigger, better and bolder. >> you said you want more of a chance to put out policy descriptions. obviously an argument about your

. >> but you have his campaign manager, barry bennett, saying that if someone takes a swing, if you will, at dr. carson tonight, that he's going to get back at them in a way that we've not seen before. armstrong williams has said that he has more of a fire in his belly than we've seen. a big part of his appeal has been this tone. now we're hearing that he plans to be more aggressive. is that not the case? >> well, tamron, i should note that people do -- even nice people like dr. carson get angry when false allegations are thrown at them. and over the past week we've seen a lot of very unprofessional, very unobjective and dishonest reporting about him. and so dr. carson is a man who believes in civility and respect. but at the same time, people should not mistake that type of attitude for weakness. if someone were to attack him, and particularly if they were to do so in an unfair manner, dr. carson will respond. >> do you think that the manner in which donald trump has gone after dr. carson at this point has been unfair? >> i don't think that he fully understands what the truth behind dr.

barry bennett said the republican national committee will not call the shots. >> the rnc sanctioned eightore debates. what we are doing is asking those sanctioned broadcast partners to give us some information so we can talk with them and decide what the format is. >> reporter: the campaigns will push for guaranteed opening and closing statements and commitments to distribute questions more evenly. ben ginsburg a long time rnc legal adviser. >> now it's time to make a correct correction. >> 15% -- >> reporter: candidates like carson want constraints on debate moderators. >> we should have moderators who are interested in disseminating the information about the candidates as opposed to you know gotcha! you did this and you defend yourself on that. >> reporter: as for defending, jeb bush after three mediocre debates has had to do plenty of it. >> i'm a grinder. i mean when i see that i'm not doing something well then i reset and i get better. >> reporter: bush tried unsuccessfully to get the better of ally turned rival marco rubio by attacking dozens of senate votes while missed campaigning

one more thing i want to mention that's important, ben carson's campaign manager, barry bennett who organized last night's meeting said this new plan will not affect the very next debate, the debate on fox business channel taking place just over a week away from now. this new plan won't affect that debate. it will start with cnn's next debate in december. alisyn? >> athena, thanks so much for all of that. we'll get back to the conditions from the candidates shortly in the program. right now we want to get back to our top story, the russian plane disaster and what brought it down. joining us is david susi, former accident investigator and inspector. good morning, david. >> good morning. >> you've looked at the evidence, now that that exists. why do you believe this plane broke up, exploded, basically, in midair? >> well, if you look at the pictures that we have of the accident site and the report of the distance, the area that's being recovered, we're looking at satellite images for cnn an we should have that very shortly. basically this is spread out so far it's indicative of an in-flight bre