i interviewed barry croft who is alleged to be one of the ringleaders of the federal case. what he said to me is, i believe that the u.s. government is run -- is basically a mob, that it is illegal military-ruled, that there is no legitimacy to the u.s. government. what he had said before being arrested was that the tyrants, by which he meant elected officials, need to be killed, that they need to be hung and that anyone that he deemed to be acting in ways that work unconstitutional needed to die. that is the motivational point for him. barry is a member of the three presenters, a network of militias that showed up at the capitol and were involved in the insurrection, as well as having ties to the boogaloo boys and being part of this group of kidnapping plotters. host: you mentioned wolverine watchman. had you heard of them before? what are they about? guest: what we know is that they were a secretive militia started by pete and his son-in-law, joe morrison in rural michigan. they got people together and trained. they shotguns, blue stuff up -- blew stuff up. the group evol

i interviewed barry croft, who is alleged to be one of the ring leaders of the federal case and what he said to me is basically i believe that the u.s. government is run by -- is basically a mob, that it's illegal mafia rule and illegal military rule, there's no legitimacy to the u.s. government. what he had said before being arrested was that the tyrants by which he meant elected officials need to be killed, that they need to be hung and that he needed to be acting in ways that were unconstitutional, they needed to die. that was the motivational point for him. barry is a member of the three percenters militia and they were involved in the capitol insurrection, and he allegedly was part of the group of the kidnapping plotters. >> a couple of the guys of the group wolverines watchman. what are they about? >> what we know about the wolverine watchman is they were a secret militia that was started by pete and his son-in-law in rural michigan. they got together and trained and shot guns and blew stuff up, and the way it has been told to me is eventually the group evolved into a much more

the bomb was allegedly built by the man prosecutors describes one of the plot's masterminds-- barry croftlaimed he had been granted permission from god to commit murder. i try to contact him through his lawyer, but get nowhere. and then, i get an email. croft wants to talk. (phone ringing) >> good morning, sir. how are you? even though my attorney told me not to speak to you, i felt it necessary to clear my name. mebody has gotta say something contrary to what the federal propagated mainstream media's putting out there and that's why i came to you. >> thompson: is there anything you can say about the wolverine watchmen? >> you know, i'm very unfamiliar with their, uh, "militia." i wasn't a member. i was only tied in by satellite individuals. >> thompson: croft has pleaded not guilty, and won't talk about anything specifically related to the kidnapping plot. but he lays out arguments against the federal government as if he were before a court. >> okay. this comes straight out of the black's law dictionary. it's the word junta, j-u-n-t-a. definition number one, a military government that ha

i interviewed barry croft who is alleged to be one of the ringleaders of the federal case. said to me is, i believe that the u.s. government is run -- is basically a mob, that it is illegal military-ruled, that there is no legitimacy to the u.s. government. what he had said before being arrested was that the tyrants, by which he meant elected officials, need to be killed, that they need to be hung and that anyone that he deemed to be acting in ways that work unconstitutional needed to die. that is the motivational point for him. barry is a member of the three presenters, a network of militias that showed up at the capitol and were involved in the insurrection, as well as having ties to the boogaloo boys and being part of this group of kidnapping plotters. host: you mentioned wolverine watchman. had you heard of them before? what are they about? guest: what we know is that they were a secretive militia started by pete and his son-in-law, joe morrison in rural michigan. they got people together and trained. they shotguns, blue stuff up -- blew stuff up. the group evolved into