to talk more about the case, we're joined by barry eisler, who has written about government surveillance in fictional form. he is also a former cia agent. eisler is the author of several books, most recently, "the god's eye view." it is great to have you with us. about what the government is doing and the pushback of apple. like tim cook metaphor. it discusses the someone hitting back and was strictly this way. you would expect the fbi to say what it is saying, does only about one phone. this is the kind of thing the government always does and i am reminded the time the cia acknowledged it had made torture tapes. 15 months later, they acknowledged it was 92. in this case, the government says it is going to be about only one phone and then they said, action, we're talking about 12. if you talk to any encryption or security expert, they will tell you what the fbi's asking for is impossible. you cannot create a back door for one phone without making all phones vulnerable. that is one important issue. there's another one i think that is not adequately understood. there is julian sanchez, a g