introducing barry goldwater, university of pennsylvania, robert strauss, who was 85, passed at age 102 but robert strauss was introducing it and one great political leader, i was introducing strauss who introduced goldwater. and real political indoctrination, and the young people who got this rich history, and the institutional base. and friendly competitors all around, from whom we work, americans for tax reform. they are all fair. they were not there 40 years ago. the sunday before election in 1964 the philadelphia bulletin called me and said you are the highest ranking goldwater volunteer we could find. what is going to happen in philadelphia? pretty big stuff 22 years old. i said if we lose philadelphia by a 100,000 votes barry goldwater will carry the state of pennsylvania which was probably true. we lost philadelphia by 400,000, lost the state by million. pennsylvania was not strong goldwater country. my point is that was tough politically back then. basically good guys have got control of one half of the congress, basically good guys, they need reinforcing, and so much better of

if you are around post-barry goldwater, and -- [laughter] you were, like i i was, just finished my -- well, finishing my mba. my parents were afraid i would drop out because i was getting so politically involved back in pennsylvania, and downtown philadelphia was not strong goldwater territory. [laughter] >> really? [laughter] >> but introducing barry goldwater at the university of pennsylvania with roberts, who even then, i think, was about 85. he passed at age 102, but robert was introducing him, and these two one brilliant professor, and i'm up there to introduce goldwater, and kids in the third and fourth row threw tomatoes and eggs at us. that was not fun. [laughter] the young methamphetamine today -- people today who have rich history today and the political leaders and the institutional base, and you mentioned before some of the friendly competitors downtown like cato, aei, and others with whom we work americans for tax reform -- i'll leave somebody else but that's dangerous, but they were not there 40 years ago when we were youngsters and you were central to the goldwater camp

like a young bo derek stuffed with a barry goldwater. - you sound weird. do you have a beard? - not for long. it's back to reality. no more making love on the beach surrounded by a privacy circle of english-trained butlers. but i've got to get out of island mode and back into work mode. how was your summer? - get this, my gynecologist committed suicide. - and i'm back! [phone beeps off] [telephone rings] - carol! - hey, lizzie, i'm about to take off. i'm in lambert, st. louis, and i can see the arch from here. no, wait, actually that's a half-burned-down mcdonald's. anyway, weather's great, and i just have to go st. louis-newark, newark-atlantic city, atlantic city to newark, and then i'll be there. - who flies newark to atlantic city? - black bachelorette parties. gotta go. [telephone rings] - hello? - yo, i'm calling to say that i'm giving you 110% this year. i'm relaxed, i'm focused, and i'm gonna be churning out the good stuff like you've never seen. - that's great, tracy. - oh, i misdialed. i thought i was calling my nutritionist. good-bye. [beep] - okay, season five. her

so, president eisenhower, president ford, president reagan and many others -- barry goldwater got us the first grant for sesame street. there's a long tradition of bipartisanship in support of public television, and we think we're on the point restoring it pretty well. >> host: unfortunately we're out of time but just a little bit about our guest. patrick butler has worked for howard baker, who -- and he served as consultant to mr. baker when he was white house chief of staff to president reagan. served as the vice president of the rca corporation. vice president of times mirror, and was a speech writer for president gerald ford. query -- very quickly, what's the important of a popular prom like downton abbey? >> guest: it energizes our support and our donor base. we have gotten a nice ride out of downton abbey in terms of being able to generate new dollars and additional donations from current donors and so forth, and the viewership has been extraordinary. and i was talking with some of the downton abbey cast, telling them that because of them everybody is taking a new look at publi

you've got the libertarian strain which goes back to barry goldwater, live and let live. at the end of his life he was pro gay rights, pro abortion rights, basically live and let live. you have the strong church part of the party. the religious cultural right which has given the party all its votes in the last 20 or 30 years starting with the prayer issue back in '61. let me ask you, dr. robin armstrong, thank you for joining. let me ask you, which is the strongest strain in your history? is it libertarianism or sort of orthodox cultural values? >> i think it's a combination of both. >> well, that combination ain't working right now. >> we're talking about, i'll i'll tell you what we're talking about in our party is having a big tent. we allow everyone in. we are very -- actually we're the tolerant party. we allow, you know, people who are pro-choice in our party. we allow people to come in who are in favor of homosexual marriage. i know mr. angelo is a log cabin republican. he is a republican, a strong republican. all we're saying is, listen, we affirm marriage is betwee

there is no comparison between wrong and today's republican party there's no comparison between barry goldwater and today's republican party or william f. buckley and today if you're republican party and enjoy it work you're just right they were conservative for their time they were they were conservatives which means they believed in moving slowly holding back and. thoughtful most thoughtful motion and the people who run in the republican party today believe in pell mell you know hell bent for leather. to the right to the right and i'm sorry that's just the truth of the matter there is nothing about george bush that is similar to ronald reagan well you can say the same thing about barack obama and j.f.k. was hit brock obama's so far to the left you talk about deliberate progress. of care actually proposed single payer national highway em till summer without people reading them i mean this is barack obama's m.o. he's trying to do it on guns trying to do it on immigration and he's trying any did it on health care if he's talking about it has a j.f.k. case. the table for lyndon johnson to give us

and for the support of this got us i mean it seems to me that these are almost law and order barry goldwater conservative issues you know as as the chief was just saying if you're if you're a lot of law abiding citizens it's like let's. think about that the only people that will be impacted by what we're talking about in terms of the background checks in terms of a true gun trafficking law are criminals which means felons and men and one of the abused their spouses or partners people that have been adjudicated to be not all they are mentally and lastly it's the gun profiteers the people who are going out now buying guns through the loop poet gun shows and from private sellers i mean straw purchasers and then go out and sell it at a profit to organized crime syndicates to drug cartels to street gangs you know these folks always say as politicians if gun laws are so good why is it that chicago has always gun violence i'll tell you why because we have these loopholes that to me be closed so we can't have people buy guns somewhere else bring them to the cities and exacerbate their problems it's

and then in 1964 when barry goldwater, the senator from arizona, ran in the primaries, actually some of the republicans, such as leonard firestone, supported nelson rockefeller. they thought that goldwater wasn't the best candidate, and he was supported by the far right, who they didn't like. so it's conservatives fighting on the far right. it's the story of the republican party then and today, factionalism and fighting and political power. today, the conservatives in hollywood, the republican, republicans are trying to regroup. there's some well-known stars that are conservative. they have tried organize. many of the hollywood conservatives today are libertarian, which is a good politics for hollywood because libertarians believe in individual freedom, smaller government, and less taxes. anyway, i would say that the real story of "when hollywood was right" is in this period of the 1940s, late 1940s up to 1980. but conservatives and republicans who hollywood still has a history of how they were able to regroup and have influence on southern california national politics. so there's hi

. ♪ >>> a picture to show you of barry goldwater. this is him at a senate hearing in 1975.a gun and looking through the site mounted at the top in the hearing room. this is not an ordinary gun though. it is a gun rigged to shoot poison darts. it has been rigged up in the 1970s reportedly to be used in assassination attempts. this is part of the church committee investigations of what the cia was doing in the '70s and how much of it was legal. right after watergate. it was to look into whether the cia was acting improperly here in the u.s. we think of the cia as operating elsewhere. they're supposed to be spying on our enemies abroad, but that initial focus on whether the cia was acting improperly at home, that got eclipsed thanks to some comments by gerald ford. president ford has reportedly warned associates that if the current investigations go too far, they could uncover several assassinations of fortune officials involving the cia. because of those comments from president ford, the church committee ended up changes its focus. they ended up spending a lot of time looking

but barry goldwater, a farmer of reagan ended tend to change the republican party from a white party of nebulous beliefs into a party of true conservatives on, when goldwater was making his final effort, he was in deep trouble and rather resented ronald reagan and thought he was superficial in the general underestimating. he was brought to -- ronald reagan -- the speech was an extraordinary thing because it is not only perfectly honed, but also became some pain which raised an enormous amount of money, but it also changed reagan for being someone around the periphery of republican politics to the absolute sure favorite of the conservative wing of the party. gibbering margaret thatcher up to speed work on different models. margaret thatcher, too young to serve. in fact, she was slightly anxious in 1945 -- she was anxious looking back that she should've gone to the workers, but anyway she did it. shortly after that, she became a scientist and choose the research chemist and and a seat in the paper and it's very interesting on the elasticity, and unlikely topic may be. what that means i

so is the state of the republican party that seems headed for a suicidal plunge not seen since barry goldwater said extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. i'm joined by nbc news political director, and chief white house correspondent, chuck todd. chuck, you're so smart about politics. why would the republican party basically take this stand? there's a lot of passion out there. these victims families members. they come on this program, they come on other programs. they go to the senators' office. they get them on the phone. their hearts are open. they've been hurt. and they just say, just give us a vote. and these guys, 31 of them say, forget about it. >> well, because the party, itself, is divided on this issue. and i think that you have republicans who believe they were elected to represent the republicans that put them in office. the republicans that nominated them. and when you look at our own polling, where the republican party is today and where independents are, where democrats are and moderates and liberals versus conservative, it's two different places. >> where's that 10% live? t

you've got the libertarian strain which goes back to barry goldwater, live and let live.t the end of his life he was pro gay rights, pro abortion rights, basically live and let live. you have the strong church part of the party. the religious cultural right which has given the party all its votes in the last 20 or 30 years starting with the prayer issue back in '61. let me ask you, dr. robin armstrong, thank you for joining. let me ask you, which is the strongest strain in your history? is it libertarianism or sort of orthodox cultural values? >> i think it's a combination of both. >> well, that combination ain't working right now. >> we're talking about, i'll i'll tell you what we're talking about in our party is having a big tent. we allow everyone in. we are very -- actually we're the tolerant party. we allow, you know, people who are pro-choice in our party. we allow people to come in who are in favor of homosexual marriage. i know mr. angelo is a log cabin republican. he is a republican, a strong republican. all we're saying is, listen, we affirm marriage is between

in 1964, when barry goldwater the senator from arizona ran in the primaries, some of the republicans, such as justin kerch and leonard firestone supported nelson rockefeller who is seen as the eastern establishment. they thought goldwater wasn't the best candidate and he was supported by the fire right. since conservatives on the far right. it's the story of the republican party. then and today, factual his son infighting and political powers. today the conservatives in hollywood, the republicans are trying to regroup. there's some well-known stars that are conservative. they tried to organize many of the hollywood conservatives today are libertarian, which is good politics for hollywood because libertarians believe in individual freedom, but smaller government and less taxes, too. anyway, i was day the reels dory of when hollywood was right is in there. from the 1940s to 1980. the conservatives and republicans of hollywood still have a history of how they were able to recruit and have influenced the southern california. so there's history to be told in history for those few republica

they department like eisenhower, and then in 1964 when barry goldwater, the senator from arizona, ran in the primary, actually, some of the republicans such as justin and leonard firestone supported nelson rockefeller seen as the eastern establishment. they thought that goldwater was not the best can dad, and he was supporting -- he was supported by the far right who they didn't like, so it's conservatives fighting on the far right. it's a story of the republican party. today, factualism and fighting and political power. today, there are the conservatives in hollywood, the republicans are trying to regroup. there's well-known stars that are conservatives. they trieded to organize. many of the hollywood conservatives today are libertarian, which is a good politics for hollywood because libertarians believe in individual freedoms, but smaller government, and fewer -- less taxes, so, anyway, the -- i would say that the real story of when -- "when hollywood was right" is the late 1940s up to 1980, but conservatives and republicans in hollywood still have a history of how they were able to

arizona is the home of barry goldwater. mr. conservative.okin about goldwater pick rick pearl stein. on the cover is goldwater holding a rifle. there is about arizona political culture there. lori, you were lobbying the senators in their offices and you had contact with make's office. can you tell us about how that went? >> you know, his staff was responsive to us and most situations. and i think that they just tow the party line, rhetoric that's ancient and old. we want to look at, you know, background checks and see and how they are going to alie and who they are going to apply to. we don't want to inconvenience gun owners. you know. i find that just laughable, frankly. background checks work. the system is in place and they are working now. in certain situations and with sales by federally licensed dealers. let's apply them to all commercial sales and categorize and get to those people who are categorized as prohibited owners and stop those persons who are dangerous and do harm to others and get a background check on all buyers. i don't u

. >> from the desk of barry goldwater. >> did you that with your stephanie miller tv show stationery.oss someone needs the wood. stop bitching about your canceled tv show. >> the united states will do what is in es to defend our allies japan republic of korea and the region against these provocations. our choice is to negotiate. our choice is to move to the table and find a way for the region to have peace. >> stephanie: here's a historical fun fact. you know when they started developing these is when we stopped talking to them when george bush was in charge. john kerry. >> if the threat disappears, ie, north korea denuclearizes, the same perative does not exist for us to have to have that kind of robust forward leading posture of defense. >> stephanie: exactly. then he was talking to the chinese president. >> mr. president this is obviously a critical time with some very challenging issues. >> yeah. he did say that the way to peace in north korea is through china. it is. >> they have some influence. >> stephanie: all right. 17 minutes after the hour. you know, big commerce, i gotta t

>> bill: in the words of barry goldwater. is calling from modesto california. >> caller: good morning. the only man smarter than my dad. [ laughter ] >> caller: i just wanted to say being lesbian and the hardest thing for me to do was come out to my parents but i'm so happy that he did it but it kind of sounds like he's fishing for another job because if he was so proud to be gay, we don't blink at night. we don't glow. there's nothing special about us. we're just like everybody else. >> i glow. i don't know. >> i have glowed at times too. we don't do anything different. so how we could take away from the game. that's so silly. >> studio does light up. >> you do think -- it is a big deal for a professional athlete to come out i think. because again because there's this whole image created that we've all bought into, masculinity and who men are real men play basketball and real men aren't gay. so this sort of destroys that. which i think is great. and kim i'll tell you, i know modesto, california. modesto is no san francisco s

democrats and republicans, including barry goldwater jr., and our own governor, have advocated for green energy because they know the future of our state and country depends on it. i stand today with the broad coalition of leaders from my state with a long history of supporting energy innovation and a smart investment for america. we have the opportunity to restore u.s. manufacturing jobs, help our country remain competitive in the manufacturing industry, and invest in a wide range of clean energy production. ask that the body join me in supporting the c mass of 2013. thank you. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to clause 12-a of rule 1, the chair declares the house >> we'll have live coverage. over in the senate lawmakers resuming preliminary debate on a bill expanding background checks for gun sales, imposing tougher penalties for gun trafficking, and offering school safety grants. and senate is expected to vote thursday on a motion to bring that bill to the floor. follow senate debate on c-span2. just a couple minutes here on c-span we expect to hear about a potential deal on gun legi

that didn't happen to happen there were conservatives beary goldwater arguing the other way. >> bill: barryig time in the 1964 election. if you suddenly say to millions of african-americans and other minorities, all right, we're going to let you have full citizenship, all right, after decades of deprivation, you don't think the government has a responsibility to develop social programs to help those people? >> that was part of how it was sold, bill but that wasn't the total intent. >> bill: i will say the same thing to you i said to colmes, do you not think the federal government had a responsibility to people who are down trodden for decades to send some money to help them? >> sure, of course. but as with every government project, it's never limited to what its stated intent is, bill. so, of course. >> bill: i'm not buying that as an erosion of values. >> great society two things number one like i said the massive expansion of the dependency state all the statistics including unwed mothers. incentive was to break down the traditional family. unwed mothers divorce rate skyrocketing, fatherl

same with barry goldwater my dad's running mate. we said it over and over again in the '80s. what they talked about, small government. so whatever. robert in albuquerque, you are on the "stephanie miller show." hi robert. >> caller: can i get a sweet jesus for shrilly mcshrillson out there. the deficit has been shrinking and sha s -- at a faster rate since 1902. there are a lot of big military cuts and i think we're going to start to turn some swords into plow sheers, and i think we're going to have a leaner meaner military, but i think a lot of that money being spent there is going to go to infrastructure, i think this time sucks right now, but i think we'll start to see some government intervention and creation of high-speed rails and -- >> stephanie: yeah absolutely. by the way that was joe scarborough -- >> scarborough: oh, sweet jesus! >> scarborough: oh, sweet jesus! [♪ magic wand ♪] >> stephanie: indy does not like chris matthews. chris matthews freaks her out. >> so chris matthews has the same effect that mary hart had -- >> stephanie: i swear to got, i turned on the