underestimated -- >> '64, the stat that always jumps out at me -- so republicans in '64 nominated barry goldwateroins the filibuster against civil rights. the state of mississippi, which had given fdr something like 95% of the vote gave goldwater 84% in 1964, the guy who participated in the filibuster. >> then the voting rights act of '65 was so important because that changed the face of government in the united states. just like you may have handed the south over to the gop for all those decades, but you really changed -- you changed the united states of america, you know, i think as a result of the better. >> he might have changed party labels but we need to understand that, you know, racism is racism, no matter if it's a democrat or republican. so, the notion that he signed the party away for 30 years, you know, brings me back to the moment of, what's your responsibility of the civil rights leader? that that was a political calculation that lindyn lyndon made. so, yes, this may cost the democratic party, but eventually we believe it's going to benefit the nation. that's where we are today. >>

we had barry goldwater in 1964 who went on to lose and then ronald reagan who went on to win two terms. now, george w. bush while i have a lot of criticisms of him in my book, was definitely somebody who was somewhat influenced by the conservative movement and had some movement conservatives in his administration as his father did. but he was not really himself a philosophically small government kind of guy. and i agree that a big problem in terms of actual conservatives winning the republican nomination is the fact that a lot of the conservatives who would be qualified or who are seen as qualified to be president come from, you know, rural districts, or they come from southern states, and there becomes more of a regional and cultural battle in the minds of a lot of people. and i think the other problem is that frequently what ends up happening is that the conservative candidate who appeals most to grassroots conservatives in the republican primaries -- and here i'm just talking about presidential primaries -- tends to be the candidate, the conservative who doesn't have the organizatio

the republican presidential campaign of barry goldwater in 1964 was focused in opposition to that bille notion that the property rights of business owners should allow for public discrimination against people based on race. of course that's an aspect 50 years ago that's virtually evaporated from today's america. >> and that opposition carries on even reagan in 1983 when he was asked -- ronald reagan was asked do you still think king was a communist. he said we'll have to wait 35 years to find out. meaning the opening of fbi files. so the suspicion and animosity towards king and his legacy carries on well into the '80s. >> all right. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks. >> thank you. >>> coming up, the last surviving speaker from the march. congressman john lewis. my interview with him from the steps of the lincoln memorial. >>> and president obama's symbolic link to dr. king. stay with us. >> it's time for us to stand up now and renew this dream. that's what we got to do. i was affected by the trayvon martin situation. i was affected by newtown. i was affected by sandy hook

stuff, you know what obama does they get control of that money, then they ignore the regulations, barry goldwateray the, if you put money into federal regulation, federal control will follow, that is what is happening, you know. >> but, as i said, i don't think this is perfect, but i do think that i do know this much, every time you increase student aid or provide bigger college loans, colleges come back say, kids are covered for this we'll jack up the price, anything that throws that process down or polices it or has a rating or mean to address it is good. you should welcome it, this is efficiency for you. >> look, an example that i would agree with, they get pehl grants instead of all to school up front at beginning of semester give at half, at end of the semester if the kid gets through and not thrown out, i would agree with that, but other things in there they will do that are not good to be quite honest about it. neil: anything is better than what we have, pat. >> it is not -- look you -- look at gi bill, that the way to go you gave scholarship or voucher to the guy, you can take it to barbe

i think barry goldwater was in trouble with johnson anyway in 1964, but that famous ad, the little girl- >> with the flower? neil: exactly, saying her future was in peril because goldwater would blow the world up. that resinated with folks who says he sounds like a right wing crazy always finger at the trigger nut job, and it was hipper bollic. >> may resinate, but, you know, thing is, when you watch the tape again, you notice the congressman, a baby cried in the background, and he said, "children start crying," he's clearly exploiting the moment, and that is not the way to get legislative -- legislation through. neil: speaking to who? who was there? they didn't argue with it. >> the backdrop to this is both harry reid and the president said, you know, the private sector is doing fine. the job growth is not fine. we have an anemic job growth. again and again, i have to say, listen, he opened himself up, why? to attacks and rifle criticism, and people who rightfully say, all right, if people are putting themselves in harm's way because they are illegal immigrants, they shouldn't come her

then getting killed with barry goldwater running against lyndon johnson.an moderates in 60, 64, 68, then went wild in 72 the democrats got killed. the party bases get pushed aside for several elections and finally build up steam. the opponents in the iraq war, i believe the republican base will do the same in 2016, they put up with george bush, put up with bob dole, were deeply disappointed by george w. and last year mitt romney. they're going to come loaded for bear for the race for 2016. i predict the hard right is going to take over the republican party in 2016. and the nomination is going to rand paul. you watch. that's hardball for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >>> good evening from washington, d.c., i'm ezra klein in for the terrific chris hayes, tonight on all in, the cold war may be over, but it doesn't feel like it's all that over. it's getting chilly actually. from the edward snowden situation to russia's treatment of gays and lesbians, u.s./russia relationship is on the rocks. >>> we're learning about another terror plot that

the republican presidential campaign of barry goldwater in 1964 was focused in opposition to that bill that the property rights of business owners should allow for public discrimination against people based on race. of course that's an aspect 50 years ago that's virtually evaporated from today's america. >> and that opposition carries on even reagan in 1983 when he was asked -- ronald reagan was asked do you still think king was a communist. he said we'll have to wait 35 years to find out. meaning the opening of fbi files. so the suspicion and animosity towards king and his legacy carries on well into the '80s. >> all right. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks. >> thank you. >>> coming up, the last surviving speaker from the march. congressman john lewis. my interview with him from the steps of the lincoln memorial. >>> and president obama's symbolic link to dr. king. stay with us. >> it's time for us to stand up now and renew this dream. that's what we got to do. i was affected by the trayvon martin situation. i was affected by newtown. i was affected by sandy hook. i'm af

then getting killed with barry goldwater running against lyndon johnson.an moderates in 60, 64, 68, then went wild in 72 the democrats got killed. the party bases get pushed aside for several elections and finally build up steam. the opponents in the iraq war, i believe the republican base will do the same in 2016, they put up with george bush, put up with bob dole, were deeply disappointed by george w. and last year mitt romney. they're going to come loaded for bear for the race for 2016.

in 1964 later that year, they did start to turn their backs on african-americans with barry goldwaternd others of the ilk. but where have they been for the last 40 to 50 years? where have republicans been. there is a space for them. why don't they return to what they were initially doing for w the civil rights movement? >> victoreria defrancesco soto, we'll have to leave there it. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, rev. >>> ahead, what a week it's been. president obama honored the legacy of the civil rights movement and revealed his emotional response to a movie about it. my interview with lee daniels, the director of "the butler" is next. ♪ ♪ we go, go, we don't have to go solo ♪ ♪ fire, fire, you can take me higher ♪ ♪ take me to the mountains, start a revolution ♪ ♪ hold my hand, we can make, we can make a contribution ♪ ♪ brand-new season, keep it in motion ♪ ♪ 'cause the rhyme is the reason ♪ ♪ break through, man, it doesn't matter who you're talking to ♪ [ male announcer ] completely redesigned for whatever you love to do. the all-new nissan versa note. your door to

it wasn't new with barry goldwater.hing that's come up over and over again and even the most recent presidential election. mitt romney's dad also faced these issues. the challenge that we have here is that there is the almost identical fact pattern. the one distinction between president obama and ted cruz is that ted cruz really was not born here. >> well, you know, you look at the elephant in the room, i guess pun intended with the gop, but you know, dana, sarah palin endorsed trump's birtherism, but she just about the biggest supporter you could fine of ted cruz. listen to this. >> i appreciate that the donald wants to spend his resources in getting to the bottom of something that so interests him and many americans. you know, more power to him. >> you know what i wish congress would do? just for a week perhaps, just put themselves on cruise control, ted cruz control. >> it's almost like she's being hypocritical, dana. i mean -- >> no! >> do you think that palin will weigh in on senator cruz's eligibility? >> well, go

in a way, i think rand paul is the barry goldwater of this race, and chris christie is the fell son rockefelleris race. we know how that turned out at least in terms of primary politics. i'm strongly for rand paul. i think he's an idea did candidate for president for the democratic party. i think he would lose very badly. christie has a big problem. he's very conservative. for example, he pursues the romney economic policies. but he looks a little moderate with these primary voters because he stood next to the president during the hurricane because while he opposes marriage equality, he's for civil unions or at least he tolerates them and he accepted the expansion of medicaid under obama care. he's going to try to flip-flop his way through the primaries. he just vetoed the ban on .50 caliber sniper rifles in new jersey he himself proposed. as this goes on, he may look a lot more like romney than rock feller. >> if chris christie who sort of made his name by bullying teaches on video, if he is considered moderate in this party, is this a party that is in deep deep trouble, at least from the poin

of a similar arc when i was when i was thirteen and sixty four i went door to door i did for barry goldwater and my dad and i used to sit and watch william f. buckley firing line every weekend and i still look back on that i've been looking for old clips. they're going to find has actually great programming even though buckley was a conservative yes but buckley often had opposing view like you do today and he let them talk like you do today so i mean buckley's show was actually one of the better ones in that era while he was a complete war hawk a monster hawk fanatically hawkish on vietnam he had people like noam chomsky on the air he had allen ginsberg on the reserve you frank zappa yeah and so yes he'd. firing line while the host was right wing it did provide some alternative views what i was watching every night was cronkite and. you know how many brinkley and. evening news and those guys were just giving us war propaganda and the vietnam war was presented as this you know we're liberating the people and will we have the commitment to stand by the vietnamese people well by the time these

. >> woodruff: from the 1964 campaign with lyndon johnson and barry goldwater, to the 2000 election betweenand al gore, jack germond didn't miss a single one. he got his start reporting on national politics for gannett newspapers in 1961, rising to become washington bureau chief. in 1974 he joined the washington star, launching a column with jules witcover. the two moved to the baltimore sun after the star folded. the pair also wrote four books about presidential elections. germond was among the journalists portrayed in timothy crouse's "boys on the bus," written about the press coverage of the 1972 presidential campaign. crouse described germond as a little cannonball of a man, 44 years old, with a fresh, leprechaunish face, a fringe of white hair around his bald head, and a pugnacious, hands-on-hip manner of talking. many americans would become familiar with germond's cantankerous style from his television appearances, including "the mclaughlin group," where he was a regular panelist. in 2000, germond sat down with former "newshour" correspondent terry smith to discuss how covering politi

then getting killed with barry goldwater running against lyndon johnson.ld in '72 and ran george mcgovern. that's the year the democrats got killed. so then the pendulum goes. the party base gets pushed aside and then build up like steam and come roaring to the surface. obama won in 2008 over hillary clinton because the opponents of the iraq war had had it with the party leaders who played it safe and backed the war. i believe the republican base will do the same in 2016. they put up with george bush the first. and now are going to come loaded for bear with the rate for 2016. so i predict the hard right is going to take over the republican party in 2016 and the nomination is going to rand paul. you watch. this is what i do for a living. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >>> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, republicans playing politics with national security. president obama has ordered 19 embassies and consulates to be closed due to a potential threat. and

it was barry goldwater who used to say we have so little water that the trees chase the dogs. that was a joke. you were supposed to laugh. anyway -- i think the earth is warming and i think the question is how you address it. i worry about increasing people's taxes. i think we can rely to some degree on some technological advances as opposed to increasing taxes on americans who i think are taxed enough, for certain, in these tough economic times. there is some good news. this fracking, we are now going to be an energy-rich nation. we will export natural gas to europe which will diminish the european dependence on russian oil, and this whole fracking thing is turning into incredible good news for america. it will make us energy independent for over a period, depending on how we do it in the next 10 or 20 years. natural gas is much cleaner. i think that is a lot of good news, and the technology is good. i think that with some incentives from the government, we are seeing automobiles with dramatically increased mileage. i have a car -- i have a ford fusion, and i never stop at a

i, 50 years ago, since 1963, actually 1964 when the civil rights act was being voted on, barry goldwater voted against it. he was nominated to be the republican nominee for president. i decided then that i was not a republican. i had grown up with a family that was very republican. i am grateful to the republican party. everett dirksen from illinois, without his leadership, we could not have passed over the segregation of southern democrats. it is a different world. when i was a kid, we would go down to what our family called the old country and most of you know as alabama. we went shopping and we're in in a five and $.10 store. i said i want to get a jack of water and i went running off for my parents. -- a drink of water. my mother said to my dad, you must follow him. he found me standing between two water fountains and one was marked white and one was mark collard. -- one was mark colored. i was turning on the one mark mark colored and was disappointed that it came out clear. it was the first time i heard the word segregation. we had segregation in the north we just did not have the s

what almost no republican of the old guard recognized at that point is how real the threat of barry goldwaterovement. he gobbled up delegates at one state, the modern republican establishment struggled to respond. rockefeller was supposed to be their front man but compromised by personal scandal when he lost the republican primary to goldwater that june, it made rockefeller toast. frantic in treaties for scranton to reconsider a jump into the race, but he wouldn't budge. he wouldn't budge, at least, until a few days later when goldwater joined southern democrats that were trying to kill lyndon johnson's civil rights bill with a filibuster. one of six to cross over and join with the south in that filibuster and on the cusp of winning the republican party's nomination. that's when scranton changed his mind and entered the race. >> stand with me and the cause of freedom. stand with me for the integrity of our party and the security of the nation. stand with me as free men and free women. free republicans and free americans. stand with me because the cause is right and because it is right, we sha

i am old enough to watch barry goldwater go down in flames. i hated it. it took 16 years to get ronald reagan. but when we got ronald reagan it changed america and the world and ended the old soviet system. so democracy is hard work, stuff like this, people going in knocking on doors, people, you know, going out and voting. we do it. our system works. it's hard to work, and it's hard to work in part because that is what the founders wanted to be. very afraid of centralized powerful government. it will make this difficult to do. but power announcer representatives with the people, the states every year, president that for four years, we divide it up. there is no other system as complex as ours to work and move and get things through, but that is because the founders thought of was the best defense for liberty. by and large it has worked out. if madison came back he would be happy about what he saw. they can't get that damned thing done. good. sometimes they do. we just have to -- when people of a different point of your successful politically they won the

it's such a narrow reading of history because it leaves out 49 years ago when they nominated barry goldwatere lost about every state in the country. >> he would be a liberal in today's republican party. >> they nominated ronald reagan in 1980. if he wasn't running with double digit inflation, double digit inflation rates, the iran hostage crisis, i'm not sure he wins in 1980. i look at what ted cruz is saying and get the basic power of that to the republican base. the power of purity. i see how that's helping him politically hurting the republican party nationally. >> ronald reagan would run out of the republican party. ted cruz not only wants to shut down the government. he wants to keep it shut down. i think he's using the obama model, as perry said. i think he's -- why build up a record that can then be used against you. run as soon as you have the opportunity. i think that's what's happening. >> and go back even to the convention. he was one of the best-received speakers on the floor at the republican national convention. he has this style, this sort of preacher-like cadence. he wears th

it is also the same year, 1964, that the republican party nominated for president a senator, barry goldwaterr. and now you can look at the years and the decades after 1964. and you can see that nothing really changes. african-american support for the republican party teeters between very low and microscopic. these are the same years and decades the center of power within the gop centered from the north and the midwest to the south. to the white conservative south. the years of nixon southern strategy, of ronald reagan's infamous trip to philadelphia, mississippi, now to the dismantling of the voting rights act and restricting voting laws we're seeing. is it disappointing that republicans weren't part of the march on washington anniversary? of course it was. but is it a surprise? not really. it's the story of the last 50 years. real football fans love a good snowball. if you are the governor of the state hosting the first outdoor cold weather super bowl ever, are you really supposed to say that's what you are hoping for? we'll tackle that next. we believe it can be the most valuable real esta

it was barry goldwater who used to say we have so little water that the trees chase the dogs.hat was a joke. you were supposed to laugh. anyway -- i think the earth is warming and i think the question is how you address it. i worry about increasing people's taxes. i think we can rely to some degree on some technological advances as opposed to increasing taxes on americans who i think are taxed enough, for certain, in these tough economic times. there is some good news. this fracking, we are now going to be an energy-rich nation. we will export natural gas to europe which will diminish the european dependence on russian oil, and this whole fracking thing is turning into incredible good news for america. it will make us energy independent for over a period, depending on how we do it in the next 10 or 20 years. natural gas is much cleaner. i think that is a lot of good news, and the technology is good. i think that with some incentives from the government, we are seeing automobiles with dramatically increased mileage. i have a car -- i have a ford fusion, and i never stop at a ga

and the other leg of the barry goldwater campaign in 1964 was the solid democratic south which was ach hated the republicans because of reconstruction, turned into a republican bastion because of civil rights. if you look at the taft wing -- i'm not looking at eisenhower's party anymore. >> they started leaving the republican party in the 1930s as a result of the new deal. 1964 and civil rights comes around, that alignment had taken place a generation ago -- >> no, no -- >> no, 1946, the democrats had the majority of the african-american vote. no presidential republican candidates won the black vote since hoover. absolutely unsupportable by the evidence. >> '64, the goldwater -- >> '64 is the critical year. realignment wouldn't have happened if not for the 1930s -- >> -- got 87% in mississippi -- >> and eisenhower got a stronger share of the southern vote. >> we could talk about it off camera. listen, "the national review" cover story, "why like ike." thank you very much. cokie, thank you, have a great weekend. tomorrow, david axelrod will be here on set and we'll talk to reverend al

he explains why he was a conservative and how it changed in part after the 1964 launch by barry goldwater. he says idealism is fine but as it approaches reality, -- taught william f. buckley the lesson all too well and regan's practicing mattism showed buckley how conservative pollal ticks could be if he were more interested in situation voters. and our question what makes americans so angry and divided saying many americans are low achievers yet they have expectation of a grand lifestyle and economic reality is raising its ugly head. thank you for sharing your calls and comments and tweets on this question, again, if you ever interested, robert rice's piece is available online at the baltimore sun.com. we're going to turn our attention to the events in the world including egypt and later on the program we'll take a look at national flood insurance and why it's getting so expense i. joining us later on the program, from the center for strategic & international studies middle east is up next. but first a look at the other sunday morning programs that can be heard on stephane radio, with th

it's a difference between what happened with barry goldwater who i always have respected and admired,en he lost compared to ronald reagan two years later saying the same exact thing and winning in california and starting a conservative revolution that swept through the country. >> it might take a leader, you know, to the point you brought up mitt romney, what reince priebus said on stage, was talking about how they have to really reach out to everybody, not just the 47%. taking a jab at mitt romney. again i think furthering the problem, showing there's divisions within the party, divisions with their top candidate -- >> there are divisions, harold, in every party. i mean, this is part of the process. democrats lost five out of six presidential elections and eventually they figured it out. they went for a southern, moderate named bill clinton. they turned their back on hard left orthodoxy and they got a guy who was liberal in many ways, but also pragmatic enough to do what reagan did, pull americans a little left back to the center. that's what republicans have to get somebody who's co

it was barry goldwater who used to say we have so little water that the trees chase the dogs. that was a joke. you were supposed to laugh. [laughter] isyway -- i think the earth warming and i think the question is how you address it. i worry about increasing people's taxes. i think we can rely to some degree on some technological advances as opposed to increasing taxes on americans who i think are taxed enough, for certain, in these tough economic times. there is some good news. this fracking, we are now going to be an energy-rich nation. we will export natural gas to europe which will diminish the european dependence on russian oil, and this whole fracking thing is turning into incredible good news for america. it will make us energy independent for over a period, depending on how we do it in the next 10 or 20 years. natural gas is much cleaner. i think that is a lot of good news, and the technology is good. i think that with some incentives from the government, we are seeing automobiles with dramatically increased mileage. i have a car -- i have a ford fusion, and i never st

barry goldwater voted against it. i decided then i was not a republican.i had grown up with a family that was very republican. i am grateful of the republican party. dirkson from illinois, without his leadership, larry, you remember very well. . without his leadership the civil rights couldn't have passed. i have to say this -- it's a different world. a different world. when i was a kid, we go down to what our family called the old country and most of you know it as alabama, we went shopping and i -- we were in a five and ten cent store. it was a long time ago. when a nickel and dime was worth something. i said i want to get a thing of water and found my parents. my mother said to my dad, you better follow him. and my dad found me standing in front of two water fountains, side by side. one marked white, one marked color. there i was on the one marked colored, turning the water on and off dispoibted it -- disappointed it was coming out clear. [laughter] turn to my dad and said why is this little thing here. it's the first time i heard the word segregation.

i, 50 years ago, since 1963, actually 1964 when the civil rights act was being voted on, barry goldwater voted against it. he was nominated to be the republican nominee for president. i decided then that i was not a republican. familyrown up with a that was very republican. i am grateful to the republican party. everett dirksen from illinois, we couldis leadership, not have passed over the segregation of southern democrats. it is a different world. kid, we would go down to what our family called the old country and most of you know as alabama. and we're in in a five and $.10 store. i said i want to get a jack of water and i went running off for my parents. -- a drink of water. dad, you said to my must follow him. he found me standing between two water fountains and one was marked white and one was mark collard. -- one was mark collard. and i wased colored turning on the one mark collard and was disappointed that it came out clear. time i heardrst the word segregation. we had segregation in the north we just did not have the signs. -- i used toember go up to date into lakeside amusement a

that amendment was cosponsored by senators ted kennedy and barry goldwater. it paved the way for the system we have today. a panel of private attorneys compensated hourly or in cases where capacity or where there are multiple defendants. originally the crimina act provided compensation not to exceed $15 per hour in court and $10 per hour out of court. this throughout the years has changed for the benefit of the system. the current rate is $125 for in court our. approximate $180 per hour in capital cases. case maximums have also increased. itare allowed if we justify to allow payments above the maximum. in order to promote parity, defenders earn salaries comparable to u.s. attorneys as well. now approaching the 50 year anniversary of the criminal justice act, we look to the purpose of the right to counsel, the promise of equal justice under law. as well as a federal district judge and an assistant federal defender, i have seen this thomas fulfilled every single day in my court. i know we have some federal district judges here. from the moment of initial appear

the main conservative figure before that had been barry goldwater. and reagan was the face of a different sort of american conservatism. when arnold schwarzenegger was governor, the other republican, i was a sign of the devolution of the california republican party and also of the institution of governor. really the only state level republican is essentially self financed millionaires or arnold schwarzenegger is independently famous. the former governor had been recalled. so similar you have jerry brown falling to four republican actors. very different phases for the state. >> host: when it comes to the state in the condition of the state, you write this, as were problems, they are america's problems but worse. >> guest: here's my point. as i have had the opportunity to discuss with c-span a number of times over the years, i spent a lot of my recent life living in china. a come back to the u.s., what is so striking is what a strong about the u.s. and the only thing that is weak with the u.s. was strong as our universities, culture, companies, brands,

i am old enough to watch barry goldwater go down in flames. took 16 years to get one old reagan -- to get ronald reagan. democracy is hard work. it is people going out and knocking on doors. is is people going out and voting. .ur system works it is hard to work in part because that is what the founders wanted to be. they are afraid of centralized power. they're going to make this very difficult to do. they're going to have this president for four years that selected this. there's no other system that is is as complex as ours to work and get things through. the founders but it was the best defense for liberty. out.large it has worked i believe that madison came back he would be very happy. sometimes they do. different point of view are successful, they won the argument and they did it fair and square. they go back and go harder. >> let's go all the way back here. >> it was the attorney general under president bush? did he knowingly allow the mexican drug cartels? >> not to my knowledge. >> to have a question? >> why is anything being done? >> a

i'm old enough to of watched barry goldwater go down in flames. i hated it. took 16 years to get ronald reagan. but when we got ronald reagan, he changed america and the world. and ended the old soviet system. democracy is hard work. it's stuff like this can people going out and knocking on doors but its people going out and voting. when we do it, our system works, but it's hard work and his hard-working part because that's what the founders wanted it to be. they were very afraid of centralized powerful government. so they said we will make this difficult to do. we will put some power and the house of representatives with people. put power with the states over here. will have the president that for four years elected, we divide it up. there's no other system as complex as ours to work, to move to get things through. but that's because the founders thought it was the best defense for liberty. i in large its work of those. i think madison came back he would be very happy at what he saw. he was a they can get a damn thing done, good. but sometimes they do. when