and barry goldwater was the opposite.ter was able to get kennedy to back off of his corporate tax cut to cut it from only 52% to 48% rather than what he wanted, which was 46%. reagan loved this. i chatted with reagan a number of times on kennedy. kennedy gave my graduation address at yale, which is a spectacular supply-side speech. and reagan really loved that we ran the campaign on the thing called a rising tide that raises all boats. and reagan and kennedy had the exact same redistribution philosophy. the best form of welfare is a job and a rising tide raises all boats and helps the poor the most. the rising tide is the key to the reagan and kennedy nexus, my view. >> michael, we talked about this for a good long while on the radio the day senator ted kennedy was buried, it was his church service. >> yeah, the funeral. that's right. >> you have jack kennedy who may not have been perfect but was basically a conservative. all the other kennedys -- not necessarily bobby kennedy. but all the other kennedys down through the

there is a barry goldwater approach, very conservative, purist approach, which actually is very good in congressional races and you may win some seats in very red states using that approach, and you have got the ronald reagan approach, goldwater, mean 64, absolutely slaughtered, one of the worst land slides in u.s. history, two years later, ronald reagan ran on the same platform, but with a smile on his face, and unlike goldwater in 64, who seemed to go out of his way to agitate and irritate a lot of the party establishment, ronald reagan brought everybody into the room, and by bringing everybody into the room, he again in mean 66 witwon in california and beat pt brown who was one of the most popular governors, certainly one of the most transform if the governors in the history of california, and they were off not races with a conservative revolution, reagan once said i remember reading this in david stockman's book, the triumph of politics when talking about his problems inside the white house that reagan told his advisors at one point, hey, guys, i don't wear the black hat. we -- i

>> barry goldwater. >> right. what was his opinion of the joining of the social conservatives and fiscal conservatives? >> in 1964, keep in mind the social issues were important. he does talk about moral issues. in the 1964 campaign. a declining culture. so he did talk about this. although his campaign actually felt that they weren't doing enough around the moral issues. and the campaign -- i don't want to go off here too much. it is in my new book. but they did produce a film talking about the decay of culture. it was rather mild actually. they had college students rioting over beer busts in florida. you know, they had a few people doing -- you know, they had discodancers and people doing wild twists. the twist, you know, pretty naughty stuff. then they had racial riots. when the film was first shown it was picked up by new york columnists. he attacked it as racist. goldwater decided because they had racial riots. but goldwater decided to withdraw the film. by 1976, however, or '70s. and into the '80s, the social

barry goldwater, i mean, i'm annoyed at him over this, but i'm almost tempted not to defend him -- [laughter] goldwater's department stores were integrated before, you know, federal buildings in washington were. he integrated the arizona, as governor of arizona, he desegregated the arizona national guard before harry truman allly desegregated. he wanted some provisions of the 1964 civil rights act to be tougher on contractors and unions that refused to stop discriminating on the basis of race. but he was a purist libertarian, so he, he voted against it because it had restrictions on what private businesses could do. thanks, barry goldwater. thanks, that's fantastic. i mean, the idea -- this is described a little bit more in my penultimate book, "mugged," the idea that that was the beginning of republicans taking the south is simply false. as i go through in that a, the southern states barry goldwater won in 1964 were the states richard nixon and ronald reagan either lost or did worse in. we finally started to take the south only when the old dixiecrats died out. okay, anyway, '64, loses in a

he joked with his aides in the said if we wanted run against barry goldwater we will get to sleep must earlier on election night than we did in 1960 knowing that the race against nixon was so terribly close. so he had a lot of self-confidence at that point and was convinced that -- and of course he did give that great american university speech still worth listening to today and his civil rights speech was very slow to come forward on civil rights but when he finally acted that speech was brilliantly done and from the heart, and was really very impressive. so you know terribly sad that he they couldn't have had that second term to see what else might have happened. in a sense what he has left us and what the public has embraced is the point he started with, 85% approval. people loved him. he was the presidential hero of people's memories. >> you said something powerful. he grew. he did grow. he started off cerebral blood gain confidence in his leadership and bobby kennedy grew too from the brash mccarthy to have great compassion for people. what was it with the ambitious father who had

he would have run against barry goldwater and would have won it did victory the way johnson did. he would have carried big democratic majorities into the house and senate with him and i think he would have gotten the big tax cut, the federal aid to education, the medicare and the civil rights bills passed. that would have put him in the lead with the most progressive 20th century presidential reformers alongside t.r. and wilson and even compared somewhat to fdr but i don't think he would have pushed beyond that. i think he would have pushed toward dÉtente. i think we would have seen dÉtente earlier with kennedy then we did with richard nixon because that cuban missile crisis was so sobering and it was so khrushchev and they make the nuclear test ban treaty which eliminated the pollution and radiation in the atmosphere and i think kennedy saw this as an opening towards a push with the soviets and he made the ruling and famous american speech in june of 63 in which he said we should rethink, rethink our relationship with the soviet union. mainly the russian people and he praised th

he would have run against barry goldwater and would have won it did victory the way johnson did. he would have carried big democratic majorities into the house and senate with him and i think he would have gotten the big tax cut, the federal aid to education, the medicare and the civil rights bills passed. that would have put him in the lead with the most progressive 20th century presidential reformers alongside t.r. and wilson and even compared somewhat to fdr but i don't think he would have pushed beyond that. i think he would have pushed toward dÉtente. i think we would have seen dÉtente earlier with kennedy then we did with richard nixon because that cuban missile crisis was so sobering and it was so khrushchev and they make the nuclear test ban treaty which eliminated the pollution and radiation in the atmosphere and i think kennedy saw this as an opening towards a push with the soviets and he made the ruling and famous american speech in june of 63 in which he said we should rethink, rethink our relationship with the soviet union. mainly the russian people and he praised th

subtraction so he he saw the disaster of one thousand nine hundred sixty four and the now many barry goldwater in which moderates were encouraged to leave and were offended and he understood that you had to reach beyond that only four years later he built a winning coalition i don't think he could be nominated in today's republican party i don't think ronald reagan could be nominated in today's republican party i think social dog has become too important a piece of the republican cosmos and i think that we are going to limit ourselves as a party if we keep becoming more and more and more exclusionary let's move on to your role in the controversial two thousand presidential election you mentioned earlier kind of in a boastful way that you were a major force in stopping the recount of ballots in miami dade county why are you so desperately trying to subvert the democratic process and is this really something very proud of. the first of all i reject your characterization of surviving the democratic caucus we are going for the third recount of the same ballots they had already been counted twice w

subtraction so he he saw the disaster of one thousand nine hundred sixty four in the nomination of barry goldwater in which moderates were encouraged to leave and were offended and he understood that you had to reach beyond that only four years later he built a winning coalition i don't think he could be nominated in today's republican party i don't think ronald reagan could be nominated in today's republican party i think social dogma has become too important a piece of the republican cosmos and i think that we are going to limit ourselves as a party if we keep becoming more and more and more exclusionary let's move on to your role in the controversial two thousand presidential election you mentioned earlier kind of in a boastful way that you were a major force in stopping the recount of ballots in miami dade county why are you so desperately trying to subvert the democratic process and is this really something very proud of. first of all i reject your characterization of surviving the democratic caucus we are going for the third recount of the same ballots they had already been counted twice wit

subtraction so he he saw the disaster of one thousand nine hundred sixty four in the now many barry goldwater in which moderates were encouraged to leave and were offended and he understood that you had to reach beyond that only four years later he built a winning coalition i don't think he could be nominated in today's republican party i don't think ronald reagan could be nominated in today's republican party i think social dog has become too important a piece of the republican cosmos and i think that we are going to limit ourselves as a party if we keep becoming more and more and more exclusionary let's move on to your role in the controversial two thousand presidential election you mentioned earlier kind of in a boastful way that you were a major force in stopping the recount of ballots in miami dade county why are you so desperately trying to subvert the democratic process and is this really something very proud of. the first of all i reject your characterization of surviving the democratic caucus we are going for the third recount of the same ballots they had already been counted twice w

a division well we do have a division but that's not new for the republican party i remember barry goldwater nelson rockefeller or gerry ford and ronald reagan we've often had divisions in the past and frankly my experience of the tea party is that the vast number of people who identify themselves as such are basically conservative republicans who are just fed up with what's happening in the country they're pretty much united in their opposition and us delegate to the present administration or they're not the majority of the party no i don't think there are the majority but i think we want to be in the party i don't want to see the tea party go spinning loses some third party movement i think we need to be big enough as a as a party and broad enough and i think you can so that folks who are conservative who believe in fiscal discipline who are opposed to the expansion of government power similar to what obama's doing who believe deeply in the constitution are welcome into the republican party and we're willing to make them have them part of the debate you know want to bowl most third party a

he joked with his aides in the said if we wanted run against barry goldwater we will get to sleep must earlier on election night than we did in 1960 knowing that the race against nixon was so terribly close. so he had a lot of self-confidence at that point and was convinced that -- and of course he did give that great american university speech still worth listening to today and his civil rights speech was very slow to come forward on civil rights but when he finally acted that speech was brilliantly done and from the heart, and was really very impressive. so you know terribly sad that he they couldn't have had that second term to see what else might have happened. in a sense what he has left us and what the public has embraced is the point he started with, 85% approval. people loved him. he was the presidential hero of people's memories. >> you said something powerful. he grew. he did grow. he started off cerebral blood gain confidence in his leadership and bobby kennedy grew too from the brash mccarthy to have great compassion for people. what was it with the ambitious father who had

a division well we do have a division but that's not new for the republican party i remember barry goldwater nelson rockefeller or gerry ford and ronald reagan we've often had divisions of the past and frankly my experience of the tea party is that the vast number of people who identify themselves as such are basically conservative republicans who are just fed up with what's happening in the country they're pretty much united in their opposition and us delegate to the present administration are they not the majority of the party no i don't think there are the majority but i think we want to be in the party i don't want to see the tea party go spinny loses some third party movement i think we need to be big enough as a as a party and broad enough and i thank you and so that folks who are conservative who believe in fiscal discipline who are opposed to the expansion of government power similar to what obama's doing who believe deeply in the constitution are welcome into the republican party and we're willing to make them have them part of the debate you know want to bowl most third party and t

kennedy was a successful democrat and probably in most people's eyes certainly to the left of barry goldwater with. [laughter] that just for the sake of completeness could you sort of recount his history with civil rights, which we all know partly but i don't feel totally, that i totally know his overall sort of feelings about things and what he was sort of drawn into and what he really accepted with gusto in terms of his civil rights positions. >> yeah, sure. well, civil rights was a little bit like medicare many that at the beginning -- in that at the beginning kennedy certainly didn't make it a priority, and he came late to it. it's a mixed record. i don't want to -- there have been books out, there was a book with the title "bystander," you know, that really was very harsh on kennedy about civil rights. and i think in a way it's unfair to impose present-day standards on him, but he did get elected with the support of a lot of these southern governors. so just to name a few real, admirable, i hi, accomplishments of -- i think, accomplishments of kennedy on civil rights, he did appoint thur

thanks barry goldwater. that's fantastic. the idea idm is described in my book. the idea that was the beginning of republicans -- is simply false as i go through now. the southern states barry goldwater won in 1964 which states richard nixon and ronald reagan either lost or did worse in. we finally start only when the old dixiecrat died out. anyway 64 was an historic landslide. what do they get after that? teddy kennedy's immigration bill of 1965 which was specifically designed to change the demographics of this country. we have been taking in a million immigrants since then the majority of them colon well for for -- welfare. and democratdemocrat s start doing much better in elections now aren't they? we have the great society programs and the last time the democrats have the house, the senate and the presidency was in 1993, 16 blessed years ago and was the first thing they did in 1993? date tried to pass hillarycare, national health care. they waited and waited and waited 16 years and as soon as they headed again they rush in with obamacare. like an alien landed

still a work in progress and that he had really reached an point where it would carry him through barry goldwater. my guess it would have but we'll never know. >> nobody knows. up um the ft. worth speech that morning he was a hawk itself. he said if we leave that country, it falls together tomorrow. he was publicly a hawk. then you hear kenny o'donnell or mansfield say he would have gotten us out of the war, but they caveat by saying after the '64 election. clearly he was trying to figure it out. he let it slide. he focused on other issues and let vietnam drain away without any real focus on it. he didn't have a plan. >> the analysis of what could have been, what he would have done i think does not end on this 50th anniversary or 50 years hence. tom brokaw, an honor and pleasure to have you on the show. thank for your time. the two hour special, "where were you the day jfk died" tom brokaw airs tonight. thanks to my friend and colleague chris matthews, my hero. >> i'll be watching tonight. it will be great. >> i've been trailing chris around the country. >> he's elusive. >> draft on his expertise

host: would he have faced barry goldwater in 1964? what would that campaign have looked like? guest: that was the plan. the plan was a reelection presidential effort. senator goldwater seemed to be the likely candidate. kennedy was looking forward to the campaign, and he was confident that with senator goldwater, the democratic party and president would prevail. host: this is another photograph from the "new york times" magazine. it is a picture of walter cronkite and john f. kennedy in september of 1963, when cbs expanded from 15 minutes to 30 minutes. guest: mr. conchrite had a couple of interviews with the president. young family, fresh look at problems in the world, a generational shift, and the notion disseminated by the kennedy administration that every single citizen can make a difference in our country. whether you're serving in the military, a civilian, public life, private life, we would go forward as one nation, and that public service was a noble undertaking. the notion that we help each other, and by helping each other, we held our society -- that message must not

the conservative movement has gone through several changes, from barry goldwater to ronald reagan andow the tea party. there are things ronald reagan did the tea party members would call liberal. as the times change and as movements become ascendant, you put them into the context and language of today and today's politics are messy. i don't think it's fair to anybody, anybody in history to take from today's mess and look back and try to find them a place. >> doug, what do you think is the legacy? do you think he will be most remembered for in another 50 years? >> well, i like to think of going to the moon. what a big moment in american history that 1969, we lived up to the promise and neil armstrong goes to the moon and planted a flag. that cost taxpayers $250 billion. if you want to talk about big government and yes, it was done to be a race with the soviet union but kennedy believed in government. he was a student of franklin roosevelt's new deal and probably would embrace what happened in the great society of lyndon johnson, medicaid medicare, legislation that kennedy was fighting

think of barry goldwater. >> look at where we are at now. >> it depends on the topics.ou are never going to convince people about israel. this is a topic that is not driven by data. a lot of foreign policy issues are very emotional. >> or first principles, like, what do you believe, who do you think you belong to? >> maybe this i go a barrel family thing. some things like obama care, you can talk about, what are the number of sign ups and what are the numbers. if people are open to persuasion, you can talk about things that are data driven. you can say, given this first principle that you have that i am not hoping to change, here is the view. >> sometimes the data is ignored or new data comes out. >> very often. >> this is why it is so important -- don't just have a family. have relationships with your family. for example, when the medicare part "d" thing happened, my brother, the week before i came to town to visit, my brother got my parents web tv and then he went out of town. so i had to use my parents how to use it. they love it. it took forever to try to find, beca

i ran in 1994 as a barry goldwater conservative. >> rose: you were part of the new gingrich -- >> yes. i don't know that i would say i was part of the mute gingrich, but. >> it is true. >> let's just say when i came in newt was speaker, how about that? >> rose: let's say when you came in you help make it -- >> listen, there is no doubt about it, i was not one of newt's loyal minions but there is no doubt that newt gingrich had the vision that got us into congress taking control for the first time in a generation, but you have got -- what works at that level, what gets you elected in northwest florida doesn't get you elected president of the united states, and you have to have a bigger vision, again, goldwater, 64, got absolutely trounced, reagan, same exact platform two years later, he was -- he wasn't a moderate, but he was pragmatic, like ike, i talk a lot about ike, i talk a lot about reagan, i talk a lot about richard nixon, richard nixon, you know we went from being a party that won 49 states in elections and a party that from 1968 to 1988 just absolutely bedeviled democrats, dro

he was going to run against barry goldwater.ism is hard to describe to a current generation. it was palpable fear thrghout this count, democra and republicans alike. the same time, he was in on the assassination of the museu we tooout a leader d that countrwas a cia coup. my guess is he would hve continu for a while but not near as long as liyndon johnson. >> you hearim talk about the death of museum, and he feels bad. kennedy sent bad cables over ere. he sent bad information that led them to bieve they could get away wi it. but i tell you one thing,the day he died in ft. worth at that breakfast, he said, the daye leave vietnam that government falls. he was as hawsh as he could be until the end. then you sit ba and say, wait a minute, would he have put half a million american troops in and mimicd the frch, knowing that disaster would come, if we turned into an american war? i don't think he would have done it that way, but who knows. >> where re you the day jfk died airs friday on nbc on friday on nbc at8:00 p.m. he wrote the fo

buckley and barry goldwater. they just abandon the project committee.he [inaudible] provisions that abandon the leadership of the media companies ended their -- the big money and self-interest is really influencing a lot of media. >> thanks for calling in this morning. david from hope sound is a regular caller to booktv. he will have a response at some point the next time he calls. the next panel is going to start in just minutes but we are going to work in a call from c-charlie and mary island florida. what did you think about mark halperin and john heileman's presentation? >> caller: it was the only entertaining but it was very informative. but like several other callers i was disturbed. i live u lived up the road a lie further up the road and attended many of the miami book fairs and there's usually a very high diversity of speakers including this year i think that dick cheney kicked off the events. so i think that they are doing a good job. it's. >> all right, charlie thinks for calling in from florida. all the calls from florida they know what a be

he was going to run against barry goldwater.nism i hard to describ to aurrent geration. it was a palpablefear throughout this country, democrats d republicans alike. at the same te, he was in on the assassinationof the museum. we took out a leader and that country was a cia coup. my guess is he would have continued f a while but not near a long as liyndon johnson. >> you hear him talk about the death of muum,nd he feels bad. kennedy sent bad cables over there. he sent b information that led them to belie they could get away with it. but i tellou one thing, the day he di in ft. worth at that breakfas he said, the day we leveietnam that government falls. he wasas hawkishs he could be unt the end. then you sit back and s, wait a minute, would h have put half a million american troops in and mimicked the french, knowing thdisaster would come if we turned it into an erican r? i don think he would have done ithat way, but who knows. >> where were you the dayjfk died airs fiday on nbc on friday on nbc at 8:00 p.m. herote the forwardo t

he hopes after a substantial re-election against barry goldwater, he would be able to get the civil rightsand other things. he never had the chance. so president obama has had the chance that president kennedy didn't, but there are so many parallels there. kennedy and obama both broke a big barrier. one on catholicism, the other on race. they were both short-termers in the senate who really didn't care that much about senate service. they were both distinguished authors who had sold a lot of books and gotten a lot of praise for their writing ahead of being elected. we all remember that president obama might not be president today had he not been endorsed by 10 kedany and caroline kennedy right before super tuesday. that helped him gain that little edge in delegates that enabled him to beat hillary clinton in 2008. >> the name of your book is called "the kennedy half century." thank you. i really respect this guy. thank you for coming on. we'll be right back after this. you need a permit... to be this awesome. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in th

speech that the president delivered in dallas, speaking in an area where for barry are goldwater, the president said that misinformation is allowed to prevail and affect the country security. this was before the dallas citizens council, the dallas assembly, and the graduate research center of the southwest. he did not specifically mention senator goldwater by name. the president said, "in a world of complex and into doing problems, in a world of irritations, america's leadership must be guided by the life of -- the light of learning and reason, or else those who confuse reality and the plausible with the possible will give over simple solutions to the world's problems." the president's two younger brothers are on their way to andrews air force base. they will fly to dallas. additional details from the hospital. vice president lyndon johnson has not been injured in this attack on president kennedy and texas governor connally. the vice president is somewhere in the same hospital where the president is being treated, parkland memorial in dallas. it was reported he was badly shot by the s

barry goldwater was a very right-wing candidate. the anti-communist movement was still very powerful. it was a very powerful force in american politics. i mean bob mack in a mayor yea ya in the first couple years in the pentagon was clobbered by the anti-communists. goldwater ran on a campaign that we're going to be soft on communism. and johnson was constantly afraid that if one of the political push that if we lost vietnam, we would be soft on communist ands we would lose everything in terms of the great society. >> joe call fall yoe was the chief domestic policy adviser with johnson. he wrote a book about the experience called the triumph and tragedy of lyndon johnson. it is coming out again. >> it's coming out again. i think with texas a&m and president and the presidential series are going to put it out again. next year it will be available. >> shreveport, louisiana. >> i understand president johnson was raised in an average middle class family. and that he was a civil servant his whole life. i was just curious how he accumulat

a division well we do have a division but that's not new for the republican party i remember barry goldwater nelson rockefeller or gerry ford and ronald reagan we've often had divisions of the past and frankly my experience of the tea party is that the vast number of people who identify themselves as such are basically conservative republicans who are just fed up with what's happening in the country they're pretty much united in their opposition and hostility to the present administration or they're not the majority of the party no i don't think there are the majority but i think we want to be in the party i don't want to see the tea party go spinning loses some third party movement i think we need to be big enough as a as a party and broad enough in our thanking so that folks who are conservative who believe in fiscal discipline who are opposed to the expansion of government power similar to what obama's doing who believe deeply in the constitution are welcome into the republican party and we're willing to make them have them part of the debate you know want to bowl most third party and tha

affecting barry goldwater's chances for the nomination coming kennedy said ignorance in this information has allowed to prevail handicaps -- >> put mr. mcneil on, please. >> this is robert mcneil, our correspondent that was traveling with the president. >> bob, are you there? >> we are on the air. you take it from the top, bob, and tell us everything in chronological order. starting with the president condition if you know it. >> frank, you'll have to repeat. we are not hearing. >> bob, we are having difficulties with our communication. the early part of your broadcast did not get on the air. would you go again? yes, please go again, bob. >> they are not getting the other end of the conversation. >> let's do it this way. you speak slowly and i will repeat what you say. this is robert mcneil reporting from dallas. please go ahead, bob. bob is at the hospital in dallas. where the president has been rushed. the president is seriously wounded. this information comes from texas senator rob yarborough, who was with the president. the shots which wounded the president occurred as the motorcade

first of all, he would have run against barry goldwater, as successful a campaign as lyndon johnson didsenate. he would have passed four imagine initiatives, tax cut, fed aid, and civil rights bill, as lbj did. >> what about vietnam? >> first, i would have said we would have been detent with him sooner than nixon. his whole impulse with that great speech in june of '63 was about thinking anew, afresh about our relations with the soviets. on vietnam, he was tremendously skeptical about putting in ground troops. george ball, the undersecretary of state said you put 2, 3 hundred thousands in the troops of the jungles, he said you'll never hear from them again, and he said you're crazy as hell. meaning he was skeptical. >> klein kennedy, his daughter, now the u.s. ambassador to japan, a lot of us remember the article she wrote endorsing barack obama to the presidency, writing this in the article entitled "a president like my father." i have never had a president in a inspired me the way people tell me my father inspired them, but for the first time i believe i have found the man who could b

. >> barry goldwater, the man who is regarded as the person to oppose president kennedy in the election next year, has issued a statement in which he says it most shocking and dreadful that a thing like this could happen in a free country. the president's death is a profound loss to the nation. mrs. goldwater and i offer our sympathy to mrs. kennedy and the president's family. he was going to make remarks tomorrow night in grand rapids. you are feeling prevalent on both sides of the aisle in congress, the great personal bereavement, feeling of loss and shock. i think back to the night of the convention in 1960 when lyndon johnson accepted the nomination. governor john connally was then the floor manager for lyndon johnson, and was the man always the closest assistant in all his political campaigns, that is governor connally of texas who lies wounded in a hospital in dallas. at 2:00 in the morning, when there was much talk that johnson would be offered the vice presidential nomination, john connally told me he was positive he would never accept it. i had talked to sam rayburn who said th

kennedy could talk with even barry goldwater.et at cape canaveral. while cautious, he unified the country, not divide it. it's too bad for president obama, honoring kennedy seems to be a symbolic moment, rather than a chance to learn from him, maybe to change something. >> i loved it right until the last sentence. well, look -- >> don't you think he should learn? >> i think he should and is learning. even jfk, he had his bay of pigs moment. i think the senators know better than to county him out. we have senator ben cardin and senator tim cot. welcome to both of you. now, listen, i am concerned, because i have been watching all this footage from the kennedy era. it seems

. >> i think you look at the republican party, i mean, the father of the republican party, barry goldwater, his philosophy was, get the government off my back, out of my wallet away from the bedroom. other people in particular really understand that philosophy and so it's easy i think to get people, easier to get people to cross over on gay marriage than it would be abortion. i say the pope coming out recently, pope frances saying who am i to judge is causing a lot of people from a le ledge just standpoint to sit and question about the way that other people are treated. so, you know, i do think, again, things are headed in the right direction. you are not going to get those bible belt states will be the last to jump on board. i think you will see a lot of progress as time goes on. >> the other issue, we think of this, it's as simple as a vote being taken to legalize in the state or state legislature having no vote. one of the consequences from the late '90s on is a bunch of constitutional amendments passioned. you have states that are like wisconsin an virginia, if you poll the question in

barry goldwater said he listnd to the debate on the radio and then saw it.ght nixon won. watching it, he knew nixon had not. i saw the debate in berlin. they put it on in the berlin hilton hotel and a lot of prominent west berliners came to watch, including billy grant. they came out very long faced because the man they thought who would be their strong stalwart anti-communist champion nixon had clearly been bettered and they came out thinking nixon had lost. >> to me, the crucial thing about that first debate and i was a very junior ap reporter, my role that night was stenographer, i made notes for the important people, but the image was a big thing. but the most important thing i think is that kennedy emerged as a viable, reasonable challenger to nixon, who had the national standing, the national reputation. he debated khrushchev on moscow and, you know, all of that. and yet here was this young senator who was on the same stage, on an equal footing and more than holding his own, now he was a real presidential candidate, with the standing, the challenge, th

there is the history of 1964, republicans nominate barry goldwater, he gets absolutely decimated, pops back up and wins -- democrats win the presidency four years later. 19 -- what was i going to do? .. happen in just a matter of -- you don't know the time is it onthatoneitone term or two terms inevitable that it happens because both parties, you know both parties have i think terrific tremendous self-destructive tendencies. and if given the opportunity will in fact self-destruct although it's not complete they will bounce back when the other side doesn't. >> anyone else? >> let me turn back over to poppy. the three of us thank you all for coming out. we have had a fun time. [applause] >> thank you c-charlie, jennifer duffy and david. we also want to thank david and united technologies for making this possible this morning and last but not least to the audience for joining us. if you can take a moment to fill out the feedback form on your chair we would like to know what you thought. have a wonderful day and stay warm. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> storymac las

what does it matter if barry goldwater looked funny and glasses or michael dukakis looked funny in a tank? it matters. >> guest: this is human nature. people who argue with reality. you can argue against the wind all day long but if people make a snap decision on who you are the science shows they've decided whether they like you are not or whether they want to hang out with you or not it is made within a second and it's pretty rare that somebody actually decides after making that decision but now they want to be your friend if they decide they hate you within that first moment. it's why the democratic party continues to win. they have no clue how the image making works. barack obama came down onto a stage and he gave a speech in front of 60,000 people and john mccain hunched over a podium and he grips his microphone and whites knuckling matters. people make fun of president obama for the constant prompter. he understands exactly what he's doing when he goes out and he's in a kindergarten and then you take the camera back and he has to teleprompters and a bunch of six-year-olds it ea