do you remember in 1981 when barry goldwater insisted that bobby inman be the deputy dci and when barry goldwater insured, directly with the white house, that there would be full consultation on the revision of the executive order on intelligence with the bipartisan senate intelligence committee fully staffed to be able ore view the white house -- to be able to review the white house executive order? and do you recall, does that adjust your view of barry goldwater's role? >> these are not pure types, john. there's no such thing as being a -- [inaudible] cheerleader. as a tendency no, it doesn't change my mind. what changes my mind about him is when he finally got into a tussle with casey over the miners in nicaragua, then he became a true overseer. but i grant you your example there. >> and diane, to complete the record of the story can you explain to people what we now know about the source of "the new york times" leak that was not you? >> well, actually, the russell tice had already admitted that he was one of the sources. as i understand from reading i believe james risen has said on

the silence was broken by barry goldwater who set said i don't want to know what they got on me. senior members of the senate intimidated by the very agencies we were setting up to investigate. >> if we were not everywhere have a hard time to going. on your 1st. we did believe that to get reform it was important not just at the rise but to get hard evidence. that really helped. we should not only doctor king but many, many 's's less well-known people were abused and injured and committed suicide and so forth. it is not got yet, but to make credible the need for fundamental reform. >> well, and most controversial area that we investigated, the assassination attempt, to a person members and staff, the effort was not to pin blame. the effort was to find out systematically how that decision was made. and we spent hours asking questions to my hearings, secret hearings where the people involved in the eisenhower and kennedy administration's who made the decision, who decides in our government to kill another foreign leader. and it wasn't pin the tail on the donkey. it was an inquiry th

kennedy: i haven't seen that since barry goldwater.o think of him that they want a hot cut -- hawkish neil, and to show isis the business end. there is a poll that says 63 percent of republicans think the i rapport was not worth fighting. if i was the only one of 10 candidates that agree with 63 percent of the of republicans. now this has changed people's attitudes with of the headings but he says we need to deal with isis he says we need to avoid foreign wars and you see a lot of republicans agree with that. some are more saying i add more hawkish than you are. kennedy: can you be tough on terror and believable incredible to still say i am the anti-interventionists? you are supposed to be prudent when you are president. lot of interventionists said if ameritech got attacked we should retaliate. we should find been lauded there was no consistency to hold that position and also skeptical. also rand paul can do got -- can do that also think through carefully that we are stuck there but let's not get involved with syria. kennedy: in other

friedman's book about freedom to choose and also want to mention talking about civil rights that barry goldwater refuse to sign the civil rights legislation because he felt it deprived people of their freedom to associate with those with whom they wanted which reflects back on the gay marriage thing. >> host: before we get an answer, did you say you are afraid the republicans are going to screw it up again? can you give ben example? >> unfortunately as a former republic -- republican i broke my back for john mccain going door-to-door in florida and mitt romney they were such lovely gentlemen but they ran campaigns that they could not communicate with the american people on the level that they needed private trade this will happen again because of the people running on the ticket. we can not be as sharp as the democrats and i am not sure why. what is the solution? >> guest: getting down to actual basic moral arguments for i talk about the left is a bully because deep down they believe they are morally superior i think that is unfounded and unearned. but the truth is any political perspective you

great book about freedom of choice and i also want to mention talking about the civil rights that barry goldwater refused to sign the legislation because he felt that it deprives people of the freedom to associate with those they want to associate which kind of reflects back on this. anyway, are we -- >> dickie, before we get an answer from ben shapiro when you say that you are afraid the republicans are going to screw it up again in 2016 can you give an example of what you? >> as a former republican i broke my back for john mccain going door-to-door and also for mitt romney. they were such lovely gentleman but he ran campaigns and could not communicate with the american people of the level they needed to and i'm afraid it will happen again because we have people running on the republican ticket we just can't be as sharp as the democrats .. i believe conservatism to be a morally superior beliefs that impaired people on the right it will to articulate back and i will be a serious problem for them. is the republican party, are they going to be able to do any damage here? the republican senate is le

the silence was broken by barry goldwater who set said i don't want to know what they got on me. senior members of the senate intimidated by the very agencies we were setting up to investigate. >> if we were not everywhere have a hard time to going. on your 1st. we did believe that to get reform it was important not just at the rise but to get hard evidence. that really helped. we should not only doctor king but many, many 's's less well-known people were abused and injured and committed suicide and so forth. it is not got yet, but to make credible the need for fundamental reform. >> well, and most controversial area that we investigated, the assassination attempt to a person members and staff the effort was not to pin blame. the effort was to find out systematically how that decision was made. and we spent hours asking questions to my hearings secret hearings where the people involved in the eisenhower and kennedy administration's who made the decision who decides in our government to kill another foreign leader. and it wasn't pin the tail on the donkey. it was an inquiry that w

. >> i was a student at lsu and i manage to be barry goldwater's youngest elected delegate to the nationalconvention in 1964. as a conservative activist on the campus at lsu and before that in the early 1960s norman thomas came to baton rouge and spoke sponsored by the wesley foundation and i felt obliged to go to the meeting and listen to him. what i heard was largely a presentation of pacifism against resistance and in the q&a i asked norman thomas who was by then a very old man what should we do if we were invaded by the soviets and he suggested that we should do as gandhi and his supporters did and lay down on the railroad tracks which stopped the trains. that was his answer. i said sarah, what makes you think unlike the british government is soviets would stop the train? he just reiterated his opinion that the proper response would be to land the railroad tracks. i concluded from that that norman thomas was inherently an impractical man. was i wrong? >> or a hint they are not let me speak to the specifics of the story. it was 25 years before i was born. it sounds to me like u.s. speci

psychiatrists sign a declaration, open letter that barry goldwater the presidential candidate was inview psychiatrically unfit. how extreme it was. i don't think there is e anything radically changed. headlines and add homonym headlines. there is nothing new in this. and generally speaking, when it comes to the social issues it depends which ones. all right.. now, let me challenge that. >> let me give you one example. >> all right. if you run r on extreme proabortion views as did wendy davis in texas hailed as a second coming for the liberals in america. she was going to be the new star she got crushed whereas on gay marriage we know which way public opinion is going. so it depends what the issue is. >> texas very conservative state in general. now, here's where i think you arest wrong. in 1964, goldwater got obliterated. all right?iter he lost to glondz a land slight. part of the reason was he wass branded an extremist and john bircher and everything else. a lot of americans bought it and afraid to start a nuclear war. the demonization of him worked. now, it's light years faster tha