in the book, "conscience of a conservative," which is a hat tip to great senator from arizona, barry goldwater the bottom to see who can be meaner, madder, and crazier. were you ever part of that problem? >> you know, as far as the meaner, madder, and crazier, i'd like to think no. i mean, we-- it seems, you know, all the incentives out there of reward those who yell the loudest. and i've never been one of those. the way the districts are gerrymandered and everything else has led to that. but all of us have regrets. >> stephen: what are some of yours? >> well, i mention in the book, during the tarp vote, the troubled asset assistance program in 2008, we had to fix it overnight. and the house voted no, and the stock market dropped 700 points within a couple of hours. i was one of those who voted no. >> stephen: why did you vote no at the time? >> well, at the time, my feeling was i didn't contribute to this. and i hadn't. i wasn't the one who racked up all the debt, or i didn't, you know, work on the regulation that may have allowed this. so i justified it myself for saying, "i don't need to fi

senator hayden's most famous junior senator from arizona was republican barry goldwater who failed in his run for president and served 30 years in the senate. in arizona politics, the united states senate is a career, not a six-year job. but trumpism has changed everything, including arizona politics. last summer, after donald trump secured the republican nomination, i tweeted, "even if you don't have children or grandchildren, you will be asked for the rest of your life what did you do to stop donald trump." today jeff flake gave this answer. >> i have children and grandchildren to answer to. and so, mr. president, i will not be complicit. >> this was an eloquent and very, very carefully written speech. one of the most carefully written speeches i have ever seen on the senate floor. i have watched hundreds of senate speeches, most of them while sitting right there on the senate floor as a staffer. and i have never heard a senate speech where the phrase "mr. president" was inserted more definitely and carefully and pointedly than it was in this speech today by jeff flake. i have child

barry goldwater on a kind of nuke them back to the stone age richard nixon in the silent majority and some people that just vote are. they just can't stand democrats and liberals. he is traded a coalition but with all the strands is able to, his whole presidencies trying to keep that together for what they suggested reelection. he placed to win. to him it's about winning. he never left the campaign. why stop campaigning? keep running. he also gets a narcissistic feed from the crowds, and he needs that because if you read about people with malignant narcissistic disorder, they can't handle too much negativity. he's going to watch cable is going to get a boatload of negativity. but he gets his high by going to alabama and saying just the thing that will bring the house down, and basically brought racial politics in alabama on attacking the nfl player. that's donald trump, so i think he is xenophobic and race, dog whistle and is a businessman that doesn't like a lot of federal regulations because they stopped him from building some projects and he has the typical gripe of builders about,

my father's closest friend as barry goldwater and the goldwater's were very close with my parents.i worked for goldwater in capitol hill when i came to washington as a senior in high school and i'd love to barry goldwater and i loved him all the way through his life. i thought he was one of the most wonderful people i've ever met in a totally decent man. then came to love him too because he kept it -- came and lived with my parents. we would have dinner with him a lot, then then i would have dinner with barry and mother and father a lot. i met john tower through my father and very and so we struck up a conversation. he was this tiny little guy and not at all attractive. it turns out i had a major in politics and it turned out he had taught theater at this college in texas. why do you come up to the hill and will take you to the senate dining room for lunch. i was like 19. senator tower how nice and it's so great. i had worked on the hill for barry so i had been on the hill so we made the state for lunch in a day as secretary called and said actually the senators really tied up so w

personal examination and magazine had published a survey a psychiatrist sues on republican candidate barry goldwater who suffered a massive defeat but there's no legal bar and a court ruling has said mental health experts have a responsibility to speak out when they determine that someone poses a physical danger to others the book's editor dr bandy forensic psychiatrist says the group has acted ethically what we are doing here is assessing dangerousness dangerousness is different from diagnosis you don't need to have all the information to be able to assess dangerousness. it is about the situation rather than the individual it is about basically. the person and the influence they have and the access to weapons that they have and we have while we're not making a diagnosis we all agree that we have seen enough to be very concerned that the person appointed to protect the health and safety of the public is actually a threat to those things so we're we're back basically acting on another ethical call the duty to warn and it can go further to the duty to protect. it is essentially if someone is a danger

something that really radically separates him from other people could you mention like barry goldwaters a serious guy who had real principles and donald trump has no principles. no skrooples, no morals. he will say or do anything to advance his own interests. >> i don't think who we're seeing in donald trump right now is new. i am less optimistic that the speech is a water shed moment. i think until people speak out publicly, it is important. but symbolic. >> and fight until the end. mccain msnbc had a tough primary in the same state but he is different character. there is this question whether he'll wage on and fight. i do appreciate you ending on a pessimistic tone. trump ran as a populist and now he sides he with wall street. and later those senators attacking trump as reckless and undignified, are west wing staffers playing the role of baby sitters? and then you've heard about the russia dossier. i have a special breakdown on what the facts are. trol? this guy. check it out! self-appendectomy! oh, that's really attached. that's why i rent from national. where i get the control to c

really a conservativism that started with barry goldwater, but blossomed under ronald reagan, a traditionalort of conservativism and it turning towards this ethno nationalism with a touch of white identity politics and it's very concerning to them. the question is, are we going to see the so-called establishment really fight back against this and try and claim the republican party and hold on to it? or are they going to let it slip away? they have a tendency to shy away from conflict and think -- -- think this themselves, look -- and there's some truth to this -- that for all of president trump's rhetoric, he has not acted yet that radically. but there is a faction of the party and bannon is now the latest figure leading this faction, that wants to bring to fruition much of trump's rhetoric, even if trump never really does. i think that if you -- >> let me just ask, this bipartisan criticism from the former two presidents and also from mccain, does that only serve to help him with his base? >> to a degree it does. in talking to a lot of voters, what they see are republicans past that have l

barry goldwater, nuke them back to the stone age. nixon with his silent majority. some people just cannot stand democrats and liberals, so he created a lack back of a coalition. his whole presidency is trying to keep that together for what they suggested. reelection. he plays to win. to him, it is about winning. e never left the campaign. why stop campaigning? he also gets the narcissistic feed from the crowd. he needs that. when you read about people with malignant self-love and narcissistic disorder, they cannot handle too much negativity. if he is going to watch cable, he will get a boatload of the -- negativity. he gets his high by going to alabama and saying just the thing that will bring the house down and basically brought racial politics in alabama in attacking the nfl players. hat is donald trump. he is nativist, xenophobic, and race-based. dog whistles. a businessman that does not like a lot of federal regulations because they stopped him from building some projects. he has the typical gripe of builders and developers. they could've put the building up tw

he views himself and has the right to view himself as the heir to barry goldwater, very conservative record when it comes to spending and conservative issues. you quote juliette trent lott the former majority leader who had some problems in his party. can the gop survive the trump presidency? the solution for conservatives is to stay in trump's republican party, not walk away. you don't complain there's not room for you in the party. you make room. that is one of the big conversations today. if corker and flake believe it's so important to fight trumpism, why not wage a campaign for the next year and a half, why not fight in the primaries and try to win those primaries and say see, mr. president, i'm right, you're wrong. >> i heard this over and over again yesterday to people saying the solution for people who view themselves as not moderate republicans but traditional conservatives people who may support legal immigration who may support limited government who may be fiscal conservatives is to stay to prove to donald trump and to steve bannon they are essentially renting this party,

obviously that title, sharing from arizona, barry goldwater who, after he lost the race did stay in the senate for many, many years afterwards and ran again. i guess that's the criticism, is why not run if you're standing up on principle? >> these lawmakers are making the decision that this is not a productive place for them to be but it does, what we've been talking about here and what we've seen today, it does speak to the divide in the party which are not good to get worked out today, and how does this white house figured a way to work with the senate while also, it's trying to advance candidates that they see as being on their agenda. >> next up, we have some new information, breaking news, it may be who paid for that trump dossier. approaching medicare eligibility? don't put off checking out your medicare options until 65. now is a good time to get the ball rolling. medicare only covers about eighty percent of part b medical costs. the rest is up to you. that's where aarp medicare supplement insurance plans insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company come in. like all standardize

senator barry goldwater, the gold conservative marched to the white house and said to the president ofnited states, you must resign. low and behold, a day later the president of the united states resigned because of his conduct. we need to see a republican party that is open to the truth wherever it leads and let's see what happens. let this investigation proceed without trying to smear it. >> one more example of this fox effective if i can call it that. let me show a brand new nbc washington journal poll out this morning showing president trump with a 38% approval rating, his lowest standing yet. i'm more interested in this other poll showing trump at 38%, a fox news poll, but if you blinked, you missed it. they only showed this graphic once on air all week long. they spent a lot of money conducting this poll and cnn covered fox's poll four times as much as as fox did. bruce, your reaction? >> your earlier video was extraordinarily interesting. i think sometimes we get the cause and effect relationship backwards. we think, oh, we see this hillary nonstory about uranium. we think the w

he learned it by watching barry goldwater get attacked by republicans leading to a liberal landslide in 1964. my whole career has been focused on how do i elect more republicans not how do i cannibalize republicans. i think bannon is going to spend enormous amount of money on the wrong targets in the wrong way. we need to focus on let's beat the democrats who vote no. let's not go out and pick fights with republicans. >> martha: in fact, mitch mcconnell reminded him of that today. he went through a laundry list of people like todd achin', christine o'donnell, murdock. he mentioned a number of them. sort of saying, you know, let's learn from the lessons of the past. you know, remember, martha if we had the four seats thrown away by running candidates that couldn't be elected we would be at 56 vote majority. if we had a 56 vote majority we would have passed the repeal of obamacare. so i think the goal here should be i know people focus on the three republican no votes. two of them can't be beat in 2018. because two of them aren't running and susan collins is going to get reelected. the

ever since barry goldwater, an essential element, movement in conservative and republican politics.he difference, up until recently most conservatives and republicans at least maintain add pretense and some genuine there was a civic rationale. wanted to reform the mainstream media. >> more conservative voices or -- >> exactly. >> that's a different conversation. >> that is not what matt boyle and a lot of his colleagues, compatriots and the new media are talking about. they dropped the pretense saying, no. we don't want to make the mainstream media better. we want to get rid of the mainstream media and non-partisan journalism. >> that's the goal here, what i took away from this, reading your piece. this harkening back to the 19th century. >> yeah. >> the 19th century press was pruty ugly, disgusting and basically hardly usable. >> yeah. >> ask any historian. >> absolutely. this was the amazing thing. it's not just matt boyle. not just breitbart. i talk to conservatives who are at, some much more credible news -- >> and frequently we have on the show. >> a smart guy. operating in goo

buckley and barry goldwater taught, what is conservatism? it is the house of competing values that they confusing to order and liberty. i also think we need to go back to first principles like, for example, let's make sure we do no harm. remember why the constitution was written the way it was. it was not written so that one party could get everything it wanted to. process matters. the rule of law matters. respect for the rule of law matters. it would be great if we could get back to a moment when we hold each other to the same standards as opposed to this world we live in now will be a complete moral relativism, where everybody switches the standards depending on whose ox is being gored. i wish we could go back to that. i frankly think if there's a diagram between liberals and conservatives, the overlapping, the points of agreement of a small but very, very important. things like truth, the rule of law, the importance of the balance of power, all of those things, to keep our democracy intact. also to realize that we don't actually need to k

leader of the house, republican leader of the senate, the previous republican presidential nominee barry goldwater trooped up to the oval office and told president nixon, you're going to be impeached before. just in case you feel like hanging on for a senate trial, you have ten senators, maybe. and despite that t fact that unlike donald trump, nixon had a lot of long-time friends in the senate who owed him. >> michael, we have been, i think -- we have learned over time, and not just in modern times, but particularly in modern times people have a hard time listening across-party line. >> for sure. >> that people can't absorb and hear criticism of people from the opposite party. that's why a republican criticizing a republican is something that can be seen so powerful. it's seen as something that can open the gate, give permission to other republicans, to their peers to do the same thing. does the pairing of this criticism with quitting mean that that door may not open as far for republicans who have no intention of leaving the senate like corker and flake are? >> absolutely. and i guarantee you the

that year a magazine had published a survey of psychiatry's survey use on republican candidate barry goldwater who suffered a massive defeat but there's no legal process on so-called remote diagnosis and a court ruling has said mental health experts have a responsibility to speak out when they determine that someone poses a physical danger to others but the books added to dr bandy forensic psychiatric says the group has acted ethically what we are doing here is assessing dangerousness dangerousness is different from diagnosis you don't need to have all the information to be able to assess dangerousness. it is about the situation rather than the individual it is about basically. the person and the influence they have and the access to weapons that they have and we have while we're not making a diagnosis we all agree that we have seen enough to be very concerned that the person appointed to protect the health and safety of the public is actually a threat to those things so we're we're back basically acting on another ethical rule called the duty to warn and it can go further to the duty to prote

it was when barry goldwater and republicans turned on nixon that it began to be the beginning of theuestion is, is it just a group of three right now or can this become a group of seven or ten? and, remember, jeff flake is going to be there when the russian investigation is concluded, and what will his voice be? will a lot of republicans start trying to donald trump donald trump out of office with the idea that vice president pence would be better? i think it's very dramatic, but short term donald trump must feel good today. two people he considered an enemy, you know, corker and flake, are in the words of as you said, sarah palin and breitbart, they're broken. >> i want to play some sound from senator bob corker because we haven't heard from him this hour and his remarks today were rather surprising. manu raju caught him in the halls of the senate. and senator bob corker, republican of tennessee, not running for re-election. whi well, he did not hold back. >> the president has great difficulty with the truth. i don't know why he lowers himself to such a low, low standard, the debase

when barry goldwater told one of his own, no, you lied to me. it's conceivable you could get a gang of 10 u.s. senators if the mueller report is really egregious and it looks like donald trump somehow colluded with russia you would get a movement for impeachment with some republicans leading the charge. but in the end i don't know if ere will be more than just a censure that comes out of t they'll try to do something punitive. i don't know t depends. >> one more really quick question. >> i don't know how quick interests. one of the things trump has accomplished is that he's proven an independent can parachute in. if that independent can control the media, then when? is the media not inoculated to some extent now? i think that's relevant to 2020. is it inoculated to some extent against trump and his campaign? will it still be the same if it goes forward? >> i was really hard to hear the question. was he inoculated? >> dr. brand suggested one of the things that president trump has done is proven that an independent can parachute in and break eithe

conservatism the way barry goldwater saw it, the way russell kirk saw it a. conservatives conservatives by any stretch of the imagination, a guy, willie, who was seen by some as being a trouble-maker because he was too conservative. he was too unyielding, when it came to cutting spending. i remember he was -- he sort of had a reputation in the house as being too far out there, too right wing. >> wow. >> and he's having to explain to his constituents that when he goes against donald trump, it's for, you know, reasons that have to do with protecting his beliefs, his conservative beliefs that he's held his entire lifetime that donald trump hasn't held even in the five years he's ban republican, but this personality cult is, you can really see it in this story with jeff flake. here you have a guy that people knew. they knew him forever. they knew he was conservative. he's got a 96% lifetime conservative rating, but donald trump as we have been saying around the table for two years, since he went down the escalators, he's not a conservative and yet there is this p

so my question is, at what pointed do you step forward as a delegation and do what barry goldwater did at the white house in 1974 and told richard nixon it was over. they don't have to go over until donald trump that it is over. but a delegation of republicans need to go over the white house and tell the president either you assure us that the chairman of the foreign affairs committee in the united states senate is wrong or we are going to take immediate action to limit your ability to launch nuclear weapons? and it won't be what general hayden said last year, it will no longer be a system built more for speed than for rationality. these republicans senators in the middle of october 2017 have that responsibility for millions and millions of americans and others across the globe. and if they can't do that, then there's something called the 25th amendment that they're going to have to start looking at. this is not acceptable as the status quo. we have the most powerful republican on capitol hill saying the president of the united states could be leading us towards nuclear war. and republ

primary to arizona was because he was not supporting the president and he was stealing a quote from barry goldwater back in the day and using that to attack president trump and are very inappropriate and arizona republicans appreciate it. neil: thank you very much. i'm sure you -- >> always great to be here. neil: the president did make a lot of news with reporters including how he feels about four or one k. did he just reversed and stuff. >> 401(k) to me is very important. i didn't want that to go too far. the chairman of the house ways and means committee said this morning it could be on the table. maybe it is, but that's one of the great things. there are threatened elements we don't want negotiate with. i think kevin brady is fantastic. he knows how important 401(k)s are. neil: maybe not. tennessee republican congresswoman house budget committee diane black. what do you make of that? is the president stepping back him as that's on the table as kevin brady says it is and should be, the tax protections afforded 401(k)? >> we are still discussing a number of things. i will tell you my personal opi

>> i talk in a book i wrote, conscious of a conservative borrowing from barry goldwater's title earlier this year, we made a faustian bargain with this president. we can excuse the behavior and everything, simply because we can get some conservative judges or tax cuts or other things -- so, well, i can tell you no president democrat or republican in recent memory has exhibited the kind of behavior that this president has and so i, you know, i am a republican. i am a conservative. i would love to have a republican president. but not at any cost. i didn't vote for this president last november. i didn't vote for president clinton neither either. >> second thoughts on that? >> i can tell you i'm not happy with the direction we're going. >> senator jeff flake, it's good tore sharing your perspective. >> thank you. >> appreciate it also the morning, an infamous dossier from the presidential campaign, full of salacious allegations against then candidate trump in the headlines, a source now confirming hillary clinton's campaign and the democratic national committee helped funds it. nbc news' ha