barry goldwater held both seats. [laughter] so we always, it is a bit of trivia but he held it immediately after. goldwater ran for president and vacated the seat, then ran for the other one. so both senators can say they held goldwater's seat. but senator mccain, he was a lot like goldwater in so many ways. steve: the goldwater legacy in the country, and in the republican party, what is it? senator flake: rugged individualism, libertarian leaning, independent conservatism. kind of shortened as arizona conservatism, i guess, where you obviously believe in principles of limited government, economic freedom, individual responsibility, but with a maverick flair, i guess. steve: you will walk out these doors for final time in december. what do you think you will be thinking? senator flake: that this has been a real honor and a privilege. i am not leaving because i do not like the institution or the people. this is a wonderful system that we have here. it is a system that is so good that it corrects the foibles of all of

great people like fred thompson, howard baker, and at the end of the day, like barry goldwater, who told president nixon, you don't have even a dozen votes in the senate and i am not with you anymore mister president, once the tapes came out. it only takes a simple majority of the house, but it takes two thirds of the senate, and in today's world, that will mean a buy-in from both parties. >> something like a consensus is required from the senate. >> and i think it is abusive for the house to begin a process and partisan ways because you will not be able to get a conviction. now clinton, democrats never bought into the impeachment in the house, so very addictively, you did get anything close to two thirds in the senate. so i am a faux! not for partisan impeachment unless members of the own party of this president was on board, they take an oath to do impartial judgment and justice. actually in the clinton experience, i reinterpret that as impartial. try to imagine to what you would do if the political shoe was on the other foot. it is not an ordinary, and perfect ordinary to say that is

republican barry goldwater who told president nixon, you don't have even a dozen votes in the senate and i am not with you anymore, wants theent -- on smoking gun tapes came out. it only takes a simple majority in the house, but it takes two thirds of the senate and in today's world, that will mean a buy-in from both parties. >> and i think it is abusive for the house to begin a process in hyper partisan ways because you will not be about to get a conviction. now clinton, democrats never o the impeachment in the house, so very predictably, you didn't get anything close to two thirds in the senate. so i am a photo of partisan foe ofhment -- i am a partisan impeachment. senators take in all's to do impartial justice. an oath to taketake do impartial justice. imagine what you would do if the political shoe were on the other foot, which is a deep theme of book.s black's it is ordinary to say well, that , it is the republican platform to do this, it is the democratic platform to do that. i don't love obamacare, come it is not perfect tax-cut, but this is what we promised. but that is not

that's what he did and people -- and barry goldwater learned to love it.hen he said to him i'll call off his dogs on panama canal treaty, he said only for you, hubert. are there any other questions ask i thought everybody was convinced. >> i'm looking for to reading this, thank you so much. i'm curious to know what kind of relationship humphrey and johnson had after the election. did they see each other much? obviously there are still in the white house but did johnson express any regret? >> johnson never expressed regret about anything, okay? that wasn't in lyndon johnson's repertoire. it was okay. it was okay when it opened the johnson library, humphrey came and spoke and delivered a speech about what a great civil rights proponent he was, et cetera. it was a cool relationship. it was cool. humphrey knew he had been stabbed in the back, undercut, undermined, but humphrey was forgiving and lbj was lbj, you know? if you were to listen to me, you know. not so. >> thank you so much for this book. excuse my confusion but what you think is the major reason tha

but then you can trace it back to the modern conservative movement of barry goldwater. and those who claimed and the wall street elites winning presidential elections. to foster a communist takeover of america. this was this crazy conspiracy mongering in the conservative movement and the republican party. there is always conspiracy mongering those with the tinfoil hats. and not give press conferences in the rose garden but that is where we are today. it is very strange to find myself out of the republican party or the conservative movementit but not nearly as much as donald trump in the white house. . >> at first it was like ha ha bankruptcies casinos but math and stupid people and alcohol in a room together. how do you lose? but i realize the things that were in the party as a political operator, i started in florida. and then one worked for george h.w. bush and guess what? you word love it if he was in the white house right now. do you h know, why? he was a dignified person and treated people with respect and not one iota of tolerance for racism. when lee atwater was

the cow palace convention that nominated barry goldwater and the republics acting like a bunch of dixiecratscrats and wae and the 1990s were another turning point when newt gingrich got up in a speech and said, democrats are the enemy of the american people, we are fighting a civil war and it must be conducted with a savagery and intensity equal to a civil war, and, i mean, it's going to be lard for the -- for a constitutional democracy for it to function when political parties are viewing one another in those terms. [inaudible] >> i see a 30-year cycle. we're not there yet. i want to go back outside again and start crying and see sonia sotomayor. she is my touchstone but i feel it's coming but going to have to be a massive revolution and has to come from ongoing people like in my era, the of 60s. >> has to come from automatic -- all of us. you what enabled the new deal, not only was franklin roosevelt elected president in 1932, he was elected with on the wave of a genuine movement. there was a democratic wave, progressive wave, in that election and it continued into '34 and '36 and so he was abl

in 1964 as barry goldwater's presidential bid was thinking, the smooth talking reagan by now a polishedspeaker was approached to appear on goldwater's behalf. several of the california businessman paid for that speech to be broadcast on national television. the footage says it all. he was telegenic, charming, reassuring, all while promoting candidates that most of the elect or it had rechecked good. businessmen realize that the war on candidate is on the ticket. they've decided to launch ronald reagan into politics that he committed himself to something much bigger than acting, serving the country that had given him so much opportunity. so began an unlikely request to become governor of california. he had another audacious move by a man who would frequently stepped into careers that were seemingly out of his leg. once in office, he backed such obvious conservative causes is cracking down on student protests and welfare recipient. some of his policies were more progressive by today's standards. he signed one of the earliest loss in the country that permitted therapeutic abortion and he b

here in america we have had, in the republican side, we have had a string of populism since barry goldwatersince ronald reagan, since the moral majority, since the tea party, all of that is populous expressing the will of the people and does populists are saying limited government, free enterprise, classic american ideals. let me say, in terms of taking something out of today's gradient, hasn't it been marvelous? i mean the quality of the panel, the moderators, it has been fantastic. i have been to a of a lot of these things in my life and this is the best i have been to. i want to leave you with two ideas, one for the pope, one from president ronald reagan. from the pope, "be not afraid." that is what i am taking away from this meeting. with ronald reagan it is that famous one, "we have it in our power to make over the world again." i think if we can take those away from here they can inspire us to make the necessary advances to make this country and this world a lot better. thank you john for indulging me. >> first, i hope i will never make a mistake using the term populism or the objecti

together, they petitioned congress, and with the help of the national organization of women and barry goldwater who are usually not in the same sentence, they got this legislation through ongress. to conclude, she said at the ceremony which i could show you next, she said, i deserve my victory medal. i'm so glad i'm getting it. i deserve it not just for serving in world war i, but for fighting the army for 60 years and winning. when i thought about writing this book -- it is my seventh ook. you always scratch around what will be your next book. i thought i would be writing about the past. i thought, this is interesting, i have never written a book about women. as i said, i thought it was about the past. then i discovered i was actually writing about the present. because in 2016 during a presidential race that could have elected the first woman president. she was not elected. that moment in history did not appen. what also happened in 2016 is that the army decided women serving in world war ii could no longer be buried in arlington. these were the same women that had gotten in with the legislati

nixon was told shortly by barry goldwater before he resigned.oldwater was such a loyal republican and when he told nixon he did not think you would get more than 10 or 12 votes, nixon knew the game was up. more than two thirds would vote to convict. so he knew he would have to resign or and at being impeached. brian: how much did chapter eight in your book on impeachment drive you to write the book? the title of the chapter is " will donald trump be impeached?" mr. gerhardt: it is a topic a lot of people talk about. what i tried to do in the chapter is clean up misconceptions about legal issues and constitutional issues. i try to work through the different subjects that can come up with trump. it is a subject that interests me as someone who studies impeachment and as an american. that was an important chapter. brian: do you have a gut instinct as to whether or not there will be an attempt to impeach him at any point? mr. gerhardt: it is likely there will be an attempt to impeach him but success is doubtful because impeachment is a numbers game.

barry goldwater, mr. conservative as he was known in the 1960's and 1970's, he took sometime, he left his senate seat to run for president in the 1964. that failed. however, he helped -- he personally helped fund the much to create to protect an open space mountaintop in the phoenix area the conservation fund helped provide the other half of that money to preserve that spot. the land and water conservation fund. many congressmen wouldn't have approved of new national parks, new wildlife refuges if they would have increased the new federal budget, but this fund helped pay for a lot of these new park sites. a third reason for his success and this is where i'll finish up here is through, is by way of his pen and his voice. his writing and his speaking, ever since i discovered his writings 10 years ago when i was living in el paso i've just been really inspired by everything he writes, he wrote. i'm serious when i say that his writings -- in a large sense, his writings expressed my mind even better than i can

this is the place of barry goldwater, john mccain. it's a democrat who's running, trying to take that mantle from john mccain as the maverick. she's been on the airwaves since the spring. when you look at the numbers this state, there's 1.2 million independents. over the last 24 hours, we've been talking to voters here, this is just down the road. it was interesting, republicans and independents a great number of them are telling us they intend to vote for the democrat. i'm going to introduce you to two of them right here. the first woman you're going to hear from is an independent. this is what they told us. >> who did you vote for? >> cinema. >> cinema? >> the democrat? >> yes. >> do you usually vote democrat? >> no. >> are you republican? >> yes. >> but not -- >> i'm changing. >> why? >> to the democratic party, i believe in their platform and agenda. >> raise taxes and spend more money. the republican party is not the same as it used to be. >> you used to consider yourself republican? >> yes. >> consider yourself independent now.

it is the democrat here in the state of barry goldwater and john mccain who is trying to made inroadsght will be quite telling as to the future of politics here in arizona. >> and christina, i want to ask you about the role of parties in this election going back to that tape we just heard, that woman who was a republican saying she believes in the platform now of the democrats. the gentleman saying that republicans have lost their way. you've watched as republicans have become the party of trump. and in these last few weeks, he has been governing what the policies of that party are. >> and when we think of health care, it is very difficult to take something away from americans. right? we have bureaucratic government that keeps expanding. the polling will say they hate obamacare, but i need health care and i have it. and it has helped me and it has helped my family. and so every on the past few years, many republicans have gotten little pieces of obamacare, whether they know it or not, and now they realize when trump and sort of various republicans done the ticket say they want to take

. >> reporter: arizona is the place where barry goldwater gave birth to modern day conservat e conservativi conservativism. it's the democrat who is trying to take the political mantle as the arizona maverick. she's been up on the airways highlighting herself as that western independent. if you look at martha mcsalcsal the republican, she's stood solidly behind president trump. having conversation os on the ground, there's been many independents who have expressed frustration with mcsally standing by the president. namely with that health care vote that would have weakened protections for those with pre-existing conditions. it will be quite telling on tuesday night what the future of arizona looks like here. chuck. >> thanks very much. one guarantee, arizona will be sending a woman to the united states senate. that we do know and can call with confidence. let's turn to st. louis, missouri where morgan radford is there. claire mccaskill is in danger of losing the senate seat. josh hawley had agreed to be our guest but cancelled late yesterday afternoon citing his campaign schedule. don't thi

it was these steps where barry goldwater in 1964 announced his presidential bid.his was also a place, a county that donald trump won by 30 percentage points in 2016. and a place that martha mcsalley will need to rely on high voter turnout in order to pull out a victory on tuesday. she campaigned in prescott today and it's going to be these steps she campaigns tomorrow night in her last event before polls open on tuesday. >> vaughn hillyard there in prescott, arizona, covering a senate race getting its fair share of national attention. but it is nothing compared to what we've seen in texas. beto o'rourke and ted cruz have been criss-crossing the state ahead of election day. like in so many races across the country, the issue of immigration has been a constant source of tension. garrett haake has been all over the great state of texas covering ted cruz and beto o'rourke and joins me now live. garrett, i watched you on "meet the press" this morning answering chuck todd's question and i want to share with our viewers a little bit of the flavor that you offered from th

this is the state of barry goldwater, of john mccain, and now suddenly the democrat in this race is positioningerself as the future of this state. we were just over outside of actually at a tailgate over at the arizona state football game here earlier this afternoon. it was quite remarkable to be frank. talking with the number of republican independent voters that we did, that said they are going to go vote for kyrsten sinema because they're frustrated with the leadership of not only donald trump, but also republican members of congress. they said martha mcsally is emblematic of that, essentially going and voting for that house-backed bill -- the health care repeal back in may 2017, and they said that was evidence that martha mcsally was willing to go along with whatever the trump administration was pushing forward. ari? >> thank you, vaughn. thanks to everyone out in the field. we'll be hearing from them all weekend and well on into tuesday. i turn now to academy award winning documentary filmmaker and activist michael moore. thanks for making time on a busy weekend. >> thank you, ari. i'm her

putting too much effort into flipping arizona, but this isn't just john mccain's seat, it's barry goldwater's seat. >> you talk about martha mcsally aligning with president trump, this was a bitter race on both sides. what we saw from both candidates as we were moving into this home stretch, it was not pretty and it required a lot from both parties. i'm interested to see how that plays out moving forward. >> i think martha mcsally deserves credit for the way she conceded. contrast with the way she has behaved and the way rick scott behaved. there was donald trump right out of the gate raising questions about fraud in arizona based on absolutely nothing. the national republican party was backing that up. martha mcsally didn't join that and her concession speech with her dog beside her, that's what you want to see, people moving on and telling the country to move along. >> it may be easier for her given the fact she may end up being a senator in the next four weeks. >> senator kyle who was appointed is going to be stepping down and the governor is expected to appoint someone. she is top of mind

this is barry goldwater state. she is a very savvvvy politicia.e beeeen watching her since e was in the state senate and she is very, very good at reading her electorate. i will say one other thing, which is it is good news for democrats they got this arizona seat, but the trend we're seeing in the senate is very frightening because each state gets two senators regardrdless f how big g it is so wyoming gets the same number of senators as california, even though wyoming has 168th of the people of california. republicans tend to be in smaller states and democrats and urban regions. the trend we're seeing in the senate is very, very frightening. it leaeads to the point wheree repupublicans may have permanent control over the body. you just don't want one party to have permanent control over an entire hououse of the legislatu. amy: then you have martha mcsally,y, while shehe lost, she kyle whol - -- senator wanted to retire could step down and then she could step in. there would be two women representing the statate. ian millhiser, thank you for being

this would be the equivalent of trying to tell somebody about barry goldwater's rise. >> they're probablymember it. >> they remember or remember it wrongly. there are misperceptions about the story that, you know, are sort of seared into our collective memory that aren't right. i think even for people who remember the story, the film will be surprising and compelling. >> should i sacrifice my privacy, bill myself-respect? it won't be me that gets dragged down, working on a campaign or some candidate who doesn't have to that is just the beginning. >> what are the biggest myths people think they know about gary hart and this story that it will be, wait, i thought it was that. >> when i tell people, when i start telling people, i think i will make a movie about the gary hart cscandal they would say monkey business. >> playing family feud. >> they would say follow me. i think there was this understanding that somehow gary hart challenged the press to follow him and they did when the follow me quote came out in an article the same day that the article from the miami herald came out. they were

barry goldwater once said anybody who needs to own an assault weapon probably has bad aim and should not have a weapon to begin with. how many more incidents do we need to have before we do something? how many more preventable deaths need to occur? linda: dave from the washington post. dave: what will the dnc invest in over the next month? will the dnc invest in any legal challenges in florida and georgia? you kind of hinted at it. tom: we have boots on the ground in georgia right now. our southern regional director has worked before with stacey abrams and is close with stacy. stacy called me personally a few months ago and said, can jonay come down full-time? we said absolutely. when i was in georgia last weekend, i was with jonay for a period of time. we have folks who are down there. we will continue to be in contact. every vote needs to be counted in georgia. the weekend before that, two weeks ago i was in mississippi. we had boots on the ground there. we will continue to do that because not only do we have an election for senate in less than three weeks, the monday after thanksg

>> reporter: chuck, arizona is the place where barry goldwater gave birth to modern day conservatism. but with the passing of john mccain and the retirement of jeff flake, it's the democrat, kyrsten sinema, who is trying to take that mantle as the arizona maverick. she's been on the air waves highlighting herself as sort of that western independent where if you look at martha mcsally, the republican in this race, there's been a lack of images of arizona's past. instead she stood solidly behind president trump and though having conversations on the ground here, there's been many independents and republicans who have expressed frustration with mcsally standing by the president, namely, on that health care vote back in 2017 that would have weakened protections for those with pre-existing conditions. so with the absence of mccain and flake, it will be quite telling on tuesday night what the future of arizona looks like here. chuck. >> vaughn, thanks very much. one guarantee, arizona will be sending a woman to the united states senate. that we do know and that we can call with confidence.

this would be the equivalent of trying to tell somebody about barry goldwater's rise. >> sure. >> yeahrobably too young -- >> they don't remember it. >> they remember or remember it wrongly. there are misperceptions about the story that, you know, are sort of seared into our collective memory that aren't right. i think even for people who remember the story, the film will be surprising and compelling. >> should i sacrifice my privacy, bill myself-respect? it won't be me that gets dragged down, working on a campaign or some candidate who doesn't have to account who comes and goes from their bedroom. that is just the beginning. >> what are the biggest myths people think they know about gary hart, jason the, in this story that it will be, oh, wait, i thought it was that? >> when i tell people -- when i start telling people i'm making a make a movie about the carrie hart scandal, they would generally say one of three things. oh, monkey business. >> i was going to say, play family feud. what are the words you think of. >> then they would say follow me. and i think there was this understandi

going on, but you can trace this stuff back to the origins of the modern conservative movement, barry goldwater who opposed civil rights legislation in 1964 and 1965. phyllis shovely, who claimed. that the liberal wall street elites hat taken control of the republican party and were preventing it from winning presidential elections because the wanted to fostary communist takeover of america. always this kind of crazy conspiracymongerring and nuttiness in the conservative movement and the republican party. what change is this used to be the fringe and now it has become the mainstream. it's moved into thehouse. always been conspiracymongerring in this country, but normally it's been people with -- who wear tinfoil hats. not people who give press conferences in the rose garden, and that's real where we are today and that's just very strange for me to find myself out of the republican party, out of the conservative movement, but not nearly as strange as it is to find donald trump in the white house. >> when i wrote the book, we sort of bat the title around because the premise of the book is everyth

governor rockefeller basically abandoned goldwater, and in 1965, the very first january 1965, barry goldwater said that if you run for president nixon, you have my support. that meant that the goldwater movement was moving to nixon and at the same time, nixon had a base in the party. it was the beginning of the transfer of power within the republican party on the party of eisenhower and nixon in the 50s, to the party of nixon and reagan, which would dominate the 1970s and 80s. >> we got all of the goldwater people to come over. but this thing really started immediately within three weeks after the assassination of jack kennedy. the decision at that point with the strategic meeting in new york was that goldwater is too close to getting it, and i cannot intercede there. what i will do is i will throw everything i can against it and do everything i can do to help. that was the basic strategy. >> he wasn't on the ballot, but he certainly did not send it out. >> in 1964, he campaign harder for goldwater and what he did himself. >> we go to the campaign of 1968 and we are through the introduction a

and johnson sees it as advantageous to characterize himself as a peace candidate against the barry goldwater, the supposed warmongerer, who is talking tough about vietnam. and so this also conveys to hanoi a signal that, in fact, the south is ripe for the taking and so in late 1964, just after johnson is elected, hanoi decides that they are going to go for broke. they're going to start sending entire north vietnamese army divisions into south vietnam and try to take over the south in 1965 before americans change their mind. and the period in early 1965 -- there's actually a lot of large battles which have, to some extent, escaped the historical record because they don't fit into this idea of this prolonged guerilla conflict. in fact, there are clearly a lot of major clashes between north vietnamese and south vietnamese. south vietnamese take heavy losses and this is really what leads to the decision to insert american troops. in june of 1965, general westmoreland says that if we don't intervene with american forces, the south is soon going to fall. americans come in, they are able to stop th

republican party had been the party of lincoln starting in 1964 when the republicans nominated barry goldwater who had opposed the great civil rights legislation, the republican party them became the party of white resistance to desegregation and if you ask yourself what would have it been like to have george wallace as president of the united states, i have to say the answer is sitting in the oval office right now because i think donald trump is the most openly racist american politician since george wallace and that's saying something. >> the gentleman seated in the corner. [inaudible] [inaudible] was it really only the last few years? >> it really was as i say in the book it's remarkable how little you can see when your eyes are closed. i was deep in the tribal and partisan bubble and i kind of brushed off the criticisms that were made of the republican party. just being a partisan hit job, that was very unfair. he was a principal american of the kind i would love to see lead the party. i kind of closed my eyes to the fact that most republicans were not like john mccain including sarah pali

pretty deeply red arizona, the place of barry goldwater, john mccain. we're in statistical tie. it will be interesting to see whether, whether martha mcsally is there, whether sinema takes it. new jersey is place where democrats need to be concerned. now bob menendez is in the margin of error. neil: unheard of. >> unheard of in deep, deep blue new jersey. there were issues with him. voters have the opportunity to say what they think about that next week. neil: kavanaugh situation, it has galvanized democrats, and republicans, each saying their base was sort of offended. who wins out on that? i'm already thinking in our fast news environment it is kavanaugh. >> to the kavanaugh hearings they are about a larger argument, in the democratic house or democratic senate, you will get constant obstruction, you will get constant attempts to impeach the president and justice kavanaugh, that is what democrats are talking about. that is real turnoff to independent voters. to arizona where danielle is talking about, democrats thought they had expanded map opportunity. it hurts especially the

i want to go to you on this because in one of your great books you wrote, you talk about the barry goldwater moment and how definitive that was for republicans in the sense that it defined them for african-americans and really sent african-americans fleeing from the party. but it also taught the party of limits how far you could go on issues of race, that coming down dead set against the civil rights act. now you have hyde-smith who is follows races in georgia and florida where racist dog whistles worked. like they were helpful. so i wonder if the republican party takes away from this midterm election cycle that, yes, there are suburban women that don't want anything to do with the republican party. but in a sense, at least in these parts of the south, you can win this way. >> i'm afraid that's exactly right. i mean, if you look at the goldwater race, mississippi swung hardest to the republicans. goldwater won overwhelmingly because he opposed the civil rights act. remember back then it was before the votes rights act, so it was a white electorate. i would like to say mike espy could win thi

officials also voting to get rid of historical helen keller and barry goldwater.e board insist the reductions will free up more time for teachers. actor tom cruz wants to buzz the tower on his own. the top gun star will fly a plane in the upcoming sequel. >> feel the need, the need for speed. >> paramount studios says he will take to the skies. he will not fly a fighter jet. the sequel is set to be released in 2020. that's a look at your headlines. second it back to you. ainsley: that is great. we shot a story down in texas with a guy who trains all these stunt guys. he says he is so fun to work with he shows up way early, stays late. steve: can he fly a plane? ainsley: i guarantee he will be able to. steve: all right, jillian, thank you very much. ainsley: acting attorney general matt whitaker fates ago new court challenge. one state says his job belongs to rod rosenstein. judge napolitano is on the case. steve: all rise. here comes the judge ♪ the party won't be ready ♪ hi susan!hs) honey? i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad... try this new robitussi

the strong hold of conservative republicans like ronald reagan and barry goldwater is now completely represented by democrats but had voted for the republican candidater for governor by double digits including in the last four elections. but not in this one. last night, orange county posted results showing democrat gavin nuwsom taking the lead over john cox. it will be the first democratic win there since 1978. we knew this was a wave. when you look at the house and add in the state elections and look at the president's 38% job approval, 60% disapproval, what's going on in those numbers? >> the decimation of the gop should resinate very strongly with this party. the number that struck me so much is the 400 legislative seats. over the course of four cycles, barack obama's terms in office, they dismated the democratic party's farm team. if they continue on that pace, they will outpace the ability to decimate the gop party in a way we haven't seen in a generation. so republicans shouldn't be framing this election as they have as some sort of a silver lining where they manage to perform

it goes back to the republicans kind of reconstituting itself after the disaster with barry goldwaterat is a long time ago, but audienceif the c-span could look up on their computer and find out all the things he is responsible for for the last 20 years. host: where do you think the republican party is headed after the 2018 midterms? caller: well, i think that it will reconstitute itself again after this whole thing plays out. but -- host: what is this whole thing? caller: the party of trump, tr umping and all, all of that that i think that it is sad that people like jeff flake, who i watched when he was in congress and i felt as a democrat looking at the republicans, that he was a pretty straight shooter. and he had a lot of good ideas back when he was in congress. and fellas like this that had to step down because of the current, the current cycle of the way things are going. that -- uh, it is very interesting that all of the things that paul did while he was alive, that i think he wayld be given away moe -- more credit. he is like unknown. and i -- a little bit of fault to c-span f