akhil: and barry goldwater goes to the oval office and tells him that he has less than 10 votes in the senate. benno: here is a question. do you think the obstruction of justice can fit the term "high crime or misdemeanor" and be in impeachable offense? philip: yes, i do. sometimes we hear people say that the attorney general is the chief law enforcement officer. i bet you heard that bandied about. that is not right. the constitution does not provide for an attorney general. congress could abolish the office of attorney general. who would be the chief law enforcement officer then? they can abolish the department of justice. but they cannot abolish the presidency. the president is the chief law enforcement officer in our constitution. imagine the chief law enforcement officer taking payings to obstruct the conduct of the law of the united states. it seems to go to just the thing that the framers and ratifiers had in mind, because it is unique to the office in itself. you are using the powers of the office to disable and frustrate the powers of the government. akhil: and in fact, the bes

republican, barry goldwater, who told president nixon, "you don't have even a dozen votes in the senate and i am not with you anymore, mr. president," once the smoking gun tapes came out -- it only takes a simple majority in the house, but it takes two thirds of the senate and in today's world, that will mean a buy-in from both parties. i think it is abusive for the house to begin a process in hyper partisan ways because you will not be about to get a conviction. now clinton, democrats never bought into the impeachment in the house, so very predictably, you didn't get anything close to two thirds in the senate. so i am a foe of partisan impeachment. i would be a foe of partisan impeachment of this president and i voted against and less members of his own party are on board. senators take an oath to do impartial justice. i reinterpret that. imagine what you would do if the political shoe were on the other foot, which is a deep theme of charles black's book. it is ordinary to say well, that is my party, it is the republican platform to do this, it is the democratic platform to do that. i

and nixon said to barry goldwater, how many votes do i have in the senate?t want to leave office. barry, how many votes do i have because i think the senate will keep me from being convicted. goldwater looked at nixon and said you may have four votes and you don't have mine. the question is, where are the republicans in terms of the vital national security questions raised about a president of the united states who obviously has been manipulated whether he is, again, half witting, witting, unwitting. where are the demands that say, mr. president, this is the most serious thing that a chief executive of this country has been accused of in our recent history. you need to explain to the american people, come on. let's hear it. we've heard none of that. and that to me is the other dimension of this whole story that we need to start hearing from mitch mcconnell. what's going on, mr. mcconnell? >> laura, we are learning tonight that democrats are mewling subpoenas for the interpreters at the meetings to compel them to testify what was said. how likely is that? >>

to improve 37 miles of the barry goldwater range. at an estimated cost of $450 million. we also know that navy took $7.5 million out of its operational and maintenance budget in order to start that. we also know, it was previously stated, construction of the military backlog of military construction, there is a backlog of military construction. so my question is, what maintenance had to be deferred or delayed or cancelled because of that transfer of maintenance money to this barrier wall? and going forward, what construction is going to have to be cancelled or future maintenance will have to be delayed or cancelled to improve this 37 miles of barrier wall? secretary rood: congressman, as you point out, along the barry goldwater range, which is an active bombing range, there was a request from the department of homeland security to examine a larger barrier there. we have not performed military construction funds for that. the navy, as you point out, used $7.5 million to conduct planning in the event a decision is made to erect such a barrier but that decision to use const

i can tell you, i was barry goldwater's chief counsel, he never would have done whe when e did. >> hopefullyg whether you talk politics or pseudojournalism, it is pure activism on part of radical dems victoria and joe thank you so much. >> thank you, lou. lou: thank you up next, president trump says we have no choice but to build that wall on the southern border if we are to second sirsecure the border at e have more on that, right after have more on that, right after i switched to liberty mutual because they let me customize my insurance, and as a fitness junkie, i customize everything. like my bike and my calves. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ lou: it's intriguing to see the senate today two bills con strughted by the senate and chuck schumer. i understood one of them would pass. neither did. one would have ended the shutdown for a matter of weeks. the other for the fiscal year. the president making it clear he'll only end the shutdown if there is funding for our essential wall on the southern border.

mark: in 1954, barry goldwater you have that publication called fact and 1100 and some odd psychiatrist on him basically saying he was mentally unhinged, mentally ill and then you had the goldwater rule put in place by the association for whatever and they broke the role this time with trump and again they drag on psychiatrists and psychologists claim he's mentally unhinged and let's talk about the 20th amendment. you don't do this sort of thing with obama or hillary clinton and they don't this sort of thing with harry truman, john kennedy and so forth. that is why i think we talk about item of the press it is time we, the people, start talking about it. freedom of the press exists for us. it does not exist for time warner, it does not exist for comcast that owns -- the point of freedom of press freedom of speech, first amendment is for the people. do you think the people are being served by the media today? >> no, i don't. it's what you need to push freedom with different types of media and why people need to go to sources like this like your show. it's why conservatives need to use me

i can tell you, i was barry goldwater's chief counsel, he never would have done whe when e did. >> hopefullywill go throughout this. it is disgusting and appalling whether you talk politics or pseudojournalism, it is pure activism on part of radical dems victoria and joe thank you so much. >> thank you, lou. lou: thank you up next, president trump says we have no choice but to build that wall on the southern border if we are to second sirsecure the border at e have more on that, right after the break. stay with us.us ged a long time ago. we're the tenney's and we're usaa members for life. call usaa to start saving on insurance today. and what would it look likelife. [if we listened more?] could the right voice - the right set of words - bring us all just a little closer, get us to open up, even push us further? it could, if we took the time to listen. the most inspiring minds, the most compelling stories. download audible and listen for a change. is it to carry cargo... greatness of an suv? or to carry on a legacy? its show of strength... or its sign of intelligence? in crossing harsh terrai

i can tell you, i was barry goldwater's chief counsel, he never would have done whe when e did. >> hopefullyut this. it is disgusting and appalling whether you talk politics or pseudojournalism, it is pure activism on part of radical dems victoria and joe thank you so much. >> thank you, lou. lou: thank you up next, president trump says we have no choice but to build that wall on the southern border if we are to second sirsecure the border at e have more on that, right after -ah, the old crew! remember when we all used to go to the cafeteria and just chow down midday? -you mean, like, lunch? -come on. voted "most likely to help people save $668 when they switch." -at this school? -didn't you get caught in the laminating machine? -ha. [ sighs ] -"box, have a great summer. danielle." ooh. danielle, control yourself. i'd like to slow it down here with a special discount for a special girl. danielle, this one's for you. we're finally going on the trip i've been promising. because with expedia, i saved when i added a hotel to our flight. ♪ so even when she outgrows her costume, we'll never outgro

it pushed barry goldwater's disastrous campaign in 1964. how richard nixon would win over young voters became a big? in fact, he couldn't. they were more loyal to ronald reagan as a presidential candidate. in preferred him over richard nixon. there was a contest between the two. the organizations that were pushing youth politics on the right were not friendly to richard nixon. to make matters worse, there is a group of ultraconservatives who were really goldwater taken their marching orders in the young republicans were not friendly to nixon either. this created a problem for nixon especially 1968 when we begin to see young voters infusing the democrats with a sense of this is going to be in a porton coalition of antiwar liberals who will push campaigns like eugene mccarthy's one pundit said that eugene mccarthy was the biggest thing that happened to you since marijuana. in many ways that was the concern for richard nixon. young voters were going to become a problem for conservative future. the other major obstacle for nixon in courting you

of course barry goldwater was the nominee in 1964. here is another question about politics. "at the time of his appointment to the, there was publicity about mcnamara having to sell his ford holdings. do you think it is necessary to penalize public servants in this way? it seems to me that if our cabinet members cannot be trusted to separate personal interests from public duty, they should not be trusted in such important positions at all." eleanor says, "it is customary and has been for many years for people accepting positions in government to divest themselves of holdings in any enterprise that does business with the government. it is not a question of distrust. it is a question of influence. it stems from the fact that they have such holdings. therefore, it is probably a wise decision that no one working in the government should have a considerable interest in any company transacting business with the government." one final question about women in politics. this comes from march of 1962, shortly before she died. "do you think there is a double standard in politics? are w

because mike lee is a conservative, and basically, he would be the barry goldwater, i would say.at said, i think that that's one of the reasons that he's going to end up declaring a national emergency on the wall, because it's his base and they want it built. >> the thing that you and roger stone came up with as just talking a point is now a thing they really want. >> not just a talking point, but -- >> and you think that the wall is the way he thinks that he can -- >> well, look, i've seen it in the focus groups, so. >> yeah, interesting. sam nunberg, thank you very much for coming in. appreciate it very much. david cay johnston, thank you very much to you, as well. barbara and malcolm will be back later in the show. >>> next up, what "the new york times" story means for donald trump's attorney general pick and his confirmation hearing next week. eral pick and his confirmation hearing next week. >>> mr. barr, how's your relationship with mr. mueller? >> terrific. >> william barr, trump's nominee to be the next attorney general of the united states made the senate rounds ahead of

that pushed barry goldwater's disastrous campaign in 1964. and so how richard nixon would win over these young voters became a big? and in fact he couldn't. they were really more loyal to ronald reagan. as a presidential candidate. in preferred him over richard nixon. there was a contest in 1960 between the two ends of the organizations that were really pushing you politics on the right were not friendly to richard nixon. and to make matters worse, there is group of ultraconservatives called the syndicate who were really goldwater rights taking the marching orders from clifton white who is a former why offer and the republicans were not friendly to nixon either. and so this created a problem for nixon as far as is reach out to young voters. especially 1968 when we began to see young voters really infusing the democrats with a sense that that with swiss going to be a coalition of antiwar activists and liberals. that will push campaigns like eugene mccarthy, and one person said that eugene mccarthy was the biggest thing that has happened to you

wrote a book named after the book by barry goldwater. bob corker, exact same things.do a lot and now neither is in congress, nope. >> when i say do a lot. as you said, words matter. what i mean is, in terms of concretery ly opposing the president's political agenda, not much. >> because what the trump presidency has exposed in so many ways is that most of the policies, most of the things trump pushed forward has been dreams of the republican party for a very long time. he's gone about them by maybe approaching it in a more crass way, saying things that the republican party normally wouldn't say, but in many respects, when it comes to immigration, when it comes to social programs, the republican party has wanted what trump has been putting into place and that's why they've been, some have been outspoken. the majority silent, and they've been okay with everything. so, yeah. for mitt romney, the rest of that op-ed talked about places where he agreed with donald trump and did well when it cams to economic policy when it came to taxes and so i just think we all have to rem