you mention barry goldwater not appreciating ronald reagan. i interviewed him in the 70s. - - people believe is not given enough credit for what he did for conservatism. [indiscernible] >> russia's opinion of goldwater, he wasn't a conservative at all. also, - - >> you've got a lot on the table and we will get an answer in a minute but you've got to tell us about yourself. you sound pretty connected. >> well, yes i am connected. i lived in europe. i've been here in new york. i've had an interest in how i see the decline of western civilization. and i do not see anything positive for us after president trump finishes his presidency. there is only so much one man can do. he's not a conservative, he's a populist. >> can you tell us why you're connected? >> because i have intellectual integrity. and i have gone out to meet people. >> thank you sir. a lot on the table. where do you want to start? one of the things i want to make sure your dress is rusher. >> i think eric needs to have more faith. ... >> guest: their gift is still with us in the cons

you mentioned barry goldwater. not appreciating ronald reagan. interviewed him in the 70s after jimmy carter was elected president. on people believe is the man not given enough credit for what he did for conspiracy. he published in a review. he had met with ronald reagan and dragon did not care for him. russia's opinion of goldwater was he wasn't a conservative at all. why theer conservative movement, and also from the very .. >> you got a lot of the table there. you gotta tell you us a little bit of that yourself. you sound pretty connected. >> i am connected. i lived you wrote, in new york, offended interest both in how i see the decline of western civilization, i do not see anything positive for us after president trump finishes his presidency, there's only so much women can do. he's not conservative. i think the administration, . - >> why are you connected? >> clause i have intellectual integrity. i am a gentleman and i go out to meet people. >> thank you sir. a lot on the table there the edwards, where would you like to start. >> i think th

that's what happened in 1974 when barry goldwater and hugh scott and john rhodes went to richard nixon and said you have no more support from your fellow republicans. that's what forced him out of office and that's what any president under this kind of investigation has to worry about. >> here's the problem, the damage is already done. it would be one thing if the white house checked with mitch mcconnell and, you know, mitch mcconnell was like, we can't support you on this. they already announced the doral thing. they already admitted the quid pro quo. it's already out there. so it really -- the climb back is maybe a little too little too late. it has already put republicans in a really tough position. it's emboldened democrats. i mean, regardless of what happens with impeachment, whether the president is actually removed from office or not, democrats are now armed with half a dozen examples of corruption and self-dealing that they can use in a political context going into this next election up and down the ballot. it's really a tough position that trump has already put republicans in.

barry goldwater, i pointed out, was one of the fathers of u.s. conservatism from the 1950's and 1980's. became soy goldwater successful in phoenix, not just family'sf his department store business, which he inherited from his father, but because he and other city leaders in phoenix changed the laws to make phoenix business-friendly. phoenix in the 1950's went from being a backwater southwestern town to being an economic engine for the nation. and into the sprawling metropolitan center that you know today. for a few reasons. the first was tax incentives. business inpen a chicago,east, even in you are going to pay a lot of taxes. people in the city will tell you that they pay out the nose. phoenix, the city fathers established a system so that they could lure manufacturers to their part of the country by saying if you come here, we won't charge you taxes for the first five years of your existence, or we are going to bring down those taxes to make it affordable for you to operate your business. example, in my neighborhood, in the north part of chicag

barry goldwater, the republican conservative, went with the house and senate leaders, republican leaders, to see nixon after the smoking gun tape was released, and goldwater had carl berstein and myself up to his apartment. and he got out the whiskey, and then he got out his personal diary, and he said that it was august 7th, a couple of days after this smoking gun tape was released, he and the republican leaders went to meet with nixon alone in the oval office. and they said, we're going to let barry goldwatere our smokesman, and so nixon, how many votes am i going to have in the senate. i know i'm going to be impeached. stunning moment, goldwater said mr. president, i counted, and there are four very firm votes for you. i am not one of them. and the next day nixon announced he was going to resign. he was withdrawing from the battlefield, and if you look back on it, you know, 45 years ago, he has to get some credit for nothi program from senator blunt, he wouldn't even discuss the conduct of the president. >> yeah. >> brennan: he said, he didn't really mean what he said. >> he didn't wa

the change of england that then sat down with ronald reagan milton friedman, billy graham and barry goldwater. watching the what swept away that democratic socialist governments in washington was formed. that saved great britain much to the chagrin of the old boys the stronger partner personified by ronald reagan to restore pride and vanquish it through all of her trials through 13 years leading the united kingdom she made the journey from london to north carolina with a home center was dedicated and noted on the day that jesse helms record that the convictions were so triumphantly validated and it was so embarrassing for their critics they've been rewriting them ever since they always said yes to liberty. it wasn't easy for margaret thatcher and jesse helms to be local to the totalitarianism. senator helms used to say they don't care what the press says about me but nobody was ever neutral about either one. but that is a test the way politics should be a battleground for passion they never lost an election and they understood freedom better than their colleagues with the american freedom tha

guest: by the time richard nixon was facing the republican delegation led by barry goldwater, not only had support in the senate collapsed for him, but senate among the american people was collapsing as well. there was never such a moment for bill clinton, and as a result of which, not a single democratic senator broke ranks when the impeachment articles came across the capital from the house to the senate. it had the optics of a partisan exercise that was a total failure for republic -- republicans. host: polls coming out in a rapid pace asking people about impeachment this morning, fox news paul saying for those that thoseded, most of reporting support for impeachment. have ashington post" similar poll this week. much attention should we pay to these? guest: they are a good snapshot of public sentiment. the trendline over time, and not the snapshot right now. we have to look at the way the questions are worded, because some of the surveys ask about an impeachment inquiry and others talk about impeaching him in the house and removing him in the senate. there is more support for the se

margaret thatcher sat down with ronald reagan, billy graham and barry goldwater. a blueprint that swept away the democratic socialist governments, london and washington. that is the chagrin of the old boys in the old party. to restore american pride and vanquish soviet tear anybody in all of her trials, all of her trials through 13 years in the united kingdom she never forgot the role played by jesse helms. she made the journey from london, monroe, north carolina where the helms center was dedicated in april 2000 and she noted on that day that jesse helms's record is a freedom fighter for the west is unmatched. and conviction so triumphantly validated and circumstances so embarrassing for his critics that they have been rewriting them ever since. senator helms always said yes. and putting forth the tide's global totalitarianism. senator held used to say they don't understand, i don't care what is progressive about me. no one was ever neutral about either one of them. that is a testament to what politics should be. not a tussle of banalities but a battleground of p

you know, barry goldwater walked in with, you know, the republican leadership and said, look it's over, we're not going to defend you anymore. and so, you know, if you have to game out right this second, do i think it's incredibly difficult to think that 20 republican senators are going break with the president? yeah, it seems unlikely, but first of all, i think that -- i think some will. i don't think they will get no republican votes. and i think that, you know, there's a lot more that could potentially come out. i mean, whatever rudy giuliani was doing seems very sketchy, and you've got all of these ambassadors coming in now that clearly are providing evidence that i think republicans are probably very nervous about. again, mick mulvaney saying yes, there was a quid pro quo, if that continues, i do think at some point, you know, despite all of the sunk costs into trump, republicans are going to want to maintain some shred of credibility and may just say, you know what, maybe it's time for president mike pence. it's just all gone too far. but clearly we're not there yet. so it's goin

helms's office margaret thatcher sat down with ronald reagan, milton friedman, billy graham and barry goldwater, the forging of a blueprint that swept away democratic socialist governments in london and washington was formed. much to the chagrin of old boys and her own party. she set an example that the stronger partner personified by ronald reagan to restore american pride and vanquish soviet tyranny but in all her trials, in all of her trials through 13 years leading the united kingdom she never forgot the role played by jesse helms. not in robust health she made the journey from london to monroe, north carolina where the helms center was dedicated in april 2000 and as she noted on that day that jesse helms record as a freedom fighter for the west is unmatched, his conviction so triumphantly validated in circumstances so embarrassing for his critics they have been rewriting them ever since. the senator said yes, liberty. margaret thatcher and jesse helms, global totalitarianism. senator helms used to say they don't understand. i don't care and neither does mike but no one was ever neutral abo

gop, and there will be 20 plus senators saying i can't take this anymore reminiscent to what barry goldwater did in the 70s calling richard nixon saying look, no mas. you got to go. that is the reason why he is pressurized. >> one very powerful republican lead leader who has been willing to take on the president is the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell until now. he came out publicly against the president's decision to withdraw from syria and allowing turkey to attack the kurds. more on that straight ahead. you want to stay tuned. and as always there is rudy. rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. cnn reporting exclusively that giuliani tried to get a u.s. visa for ukraine's former top prosecutor who was pushed out of his job in 2016 at the behest of western leaders including then vice president joe biden. doing it for failing to aggressively pursue corruption. giuliani told he promised to reveal dirt on democrats and biden and his son. when he was denied a visa, giuliani tried to bypass official channels and get president trump to approve it. vintage rudy giuliani. the one man shadow f

famously, barry goldwater is asked by president nixon whether there were the votes on a potential article and he said yes, mr. president, there are and frankly i would probably vote for it myself. i do want to suggest the republicans and the nixon period were eager to impeach nixon are they were always rigorously neutral, they were not. but they behaved as we would expect american-statesman to behave. facts,re interested in they were prepared to make hard judgments even when against their own political party. help thatat least congress in present day might take a lesson for those guys. impeachmentory of in the age of trump, mark bowman -- frank bowman is joining us. west virginia, good morning, ed. caller: good morning. it sounds to me as though the democrats are investigating the president for impeachment. can even get their appeal. host: let me stop you. --t republicans guest: despite what you are hearing from some of the president's defenders, what are going on in the closed are hearings are that all of the members of the committee doing the investigation are present, if they want to b

during watergate eventually republicans whether barry goldwater or howard baker and others standing upthe power of nixon saying he lied and also in nixon years had a state department with william p. rogers and henry kissinger. they wouldn't have damaged the state department as an institution and become a henchman for the president. and pompeo did this by lying saying he wasn't on the phone call with the ukrainian president, he is no longer credible in the public arena as secretary of state. >> a phrase from that era, credible gap, coming into play as well. douglas brinkley and carl bernstein thank you for your time and expertise. >>> for attorney general barr, t the development that he might need to recuse himself. stay with us. so i can buy from enterprise car sales and you'll take any trade-in? that's right! great! here you go... well, it does need to be a vehicle. but - i need this out of my house. (vo) with fair, transparent value for every trade-in... enterprise makes it easy. >> vo: my car is more than four wheels.y? it's my after-work decompression zone. so when my windshield br

margaret hilda thatcher sat down with ronald reagan, milton friedman, billy graham, barry goldwater. and the forging of a blueprint that swept away the democratic socialist governments in london and washington were formed. thatcher saved them much to the chagrin of the boys in her party. the personification of ronald reagan, restore american pride and vanquish soviet tyranny. in all of her trials, in all of her trials, through almost 13 years leading united kingdom, she never forgot the role played by jesse helms. not in robust health. she made the journey from london to monroe, north carolina, when the helms center was dedicated in april of 2000. and as brian said, she noted on that day that jesse helms' record as a freedom fighter for the west is unmatched and convictions so triumphantly validated and circumstances so embarrassing for his critics that they've been rewriting them ever since. as she said, senator, no, always said yes, liberty. it was not easy for margaret thatcher and jesse helms to stand to thwart the tides, global totalitarianism and yell stop. senator helms used t

barry goldwater sat down with richard nixon and urged him to resign.i'm confident their constituents will force them do that. >> senator blumenthal was on earlier and said this is something that has to come from the bottom up, from constituents up and once members of congress realize their constituents are starting to move in that direction, they will as well. >> that's right. and i can understand those republican senators who get that the president's fury and vengeance knows no bounds, no limits and now we know no law. so they're afraid of him. but i want them to be more afraid of their constituents, who will force this issue for their next reelection, for their careers and i hope for their conscience. forcing them to do the right thing while we can still do the right thing. the evidence is absolutely clear at this point. all that is lacking is the political will. so when this comes to a vote for impeachment in the house and then moves to the senate, it at that moment that i hope they rise to the challenge and hope to fulfill the promise of the countr

senators who will say, okay, i can't take this anymore, reminiscent of what howard baker and barry goldwater did in the '70s and called richard nixon and said, look, no mas, you got to go. that will eventually happen, and that's the reason why he's pressurized. >> one very powerful republican leader, probably the most powerful, who has been willing to take on the president is the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, until now. he has come out publicly against the president's decision to withdraw troops from syria, allowing turkey to attack the kurds. much more on that straight ahead. you want to stay tuned. and as always, there is rudy, rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. cnn reporting exclusively tonight that giuliani was trying to get a u.s. visa for ukraine's former top prosecutor viktor shokin, who was pushed out of his job in 2016 at the behest of western leaders, including then-vice president joe biden. giuliani has told cnn that shokin promised to reveal dirt on democrats, including biden and his son. when the state department denied shokin a visa, giuliani tried to bypass offi

20-plus senators who will say, i can't take this anymore, reminiscent of what harold baker and barry goldwaterook, no mass. you got to go. that's what will eventually happen, and that's the reason why he's pressurized. i really wish the white house press would ask him what was in it for him personally to do what he did in the kurdish situation and the withdrawal of those troops because there's nobody in the national security complex that can understand that. and you know i've been to afghanistan. i've been to iraq on troop support missions. >> okay, okay. >> a good understanding of the region. why would he do that? >> what do you think the answer to your own question is? >> i -- i don't know the answer. i think -- i think the answer is something that's very scary, and we try to normalize situations because it's the office and the institution of the president. but i think -- >> i've never known you to hold your tongue, anthony. you say it's a scary answer. what is it? >> i think there's a personal conflict of interest there that goes beyond those two towers in istanbul. i think there's somethin

. >> with the candidacy of senator barry goldwater, the republican party is on their way back.ay even go forward. >> the insensibility was more tame in a sense. more controlled. more dry. it was witty but wasn't really challenging the power structure. >> our top story tonight, president ford is finally over that stubborn week-long cold -- >> stubborn week-long cold! >> before "saturday night live," everybody was so schmaltzy, "saturday night live" was the first show that came along that had a sensibility of people who had grown up on tv. it was making fun of tv. >> this idea satirizing the news, we needed it. vietnam was going on. we'd just been through watergate. the idea we could laugh at the people making the news is a pretty nice formula. >> let's take a look at the top story, shall we? >> anwar sadat buys himself an inflatable child. this story and more coming up on "weekend update." >> "weekend update" initially was about irreverence. it was about a middle finger to the powers that be. >> for on the spot report, let's good live to lorraine newman at the blaine hotel. >> i

watergate were republicans who broke ranks and that is why richard nixon had to leave office and barry goldwater to the white house and told richard nixon that he did not have the votes in the senate to survive a trial including goldwater's own vote and was that the end of nixon and nixon decided that day -- >> a far cry from that now. >> when you look at the senatorial ranks which is where this will go down if there is to be a move and obviously mitt romney is the lone voice, and you have others who have criticized parts of this, right? let me talk about rubio. he has said, china posed this most significant threat and not only the economic interests of america and other democracies, but also the freedom and openness and that's his point of view and yet today he this this to say about trumpee private plea. here's marco rubio. >> think he did it to get you guys and i think he did it to provoke you to ask me and others and get outraged and others. he plays it like a violin and then he falls right into it. that's not a real request. >> okay. so evan, what he's trying to say is it totally would not

. >> who is the barry goldwater type? who is that? is that mitch? >> a lot of people think it should be mitch. but does mitch see himself in that role? >> we know there are a handful of constitutionalists if that's what you want to call them who voted against the president's emergency order at the border, for instance. they showed that they were willing to buck him on that. it's a question of are they willing to go that far on something of -- what's such grave consequences. >> richard burr. >> that's an interesting one. he's also -- if i'm not mistaken, he is a self-term limiter. i think he has hit his own max on that one. heidi, michael, ruth, stick around. president trump says his syria decision was a great success. but for whom? we're going to live to syria next. r whom we'rgoe ing to live to syria next th diabetes, why fingerstick when you can scan? with the freestyle libre 14 day system just scan the sensor with your reader, iphone or android and manage your diabetes. with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you can

those arizona senators at the time, barry goldwater and dennis -- the democrat, both suggested her and said she would be a fantastic candidate. her name was out there is a woman who might fit. the family thought the supreme court was so few seats available that come up. the odds are long. momof us including miny thought the odds were low. confluence of so many people independently suggesting her that she became a serious candidate. the interview team came out to arizona as evan explained. my dad ended up walking amount to their car to see them off and he asked the question and said, let me ask you a question. you do not have to answer this. how many other people are you having conversations with like this? they said, this is the only one. they realize, ok, this is serious. so, they shared that with the family. oh, my goodness. this really might happen. but it is such a long shot. she was invited back, interviewed with the team at the white house over sort of a day and a half. and came back from that. she finally got the call. the call came into her and she was in her chambers in state

barry goldwater went the senate and republican leaders to see nixon after the smoking gun tape was released. goldwater had carl bernstein and myself up to his apartment. he got out the whiskey and then he got out his personal diary. it was august 7, a couple of days after the smoking gun tape was released. he and the republican leaders went to meet with nixon alone in the oval office and they said -- we are going to let barry goldwater be our sport -- our spokesman. nixon said -- how many votes will i have in the senate? i know i will be impeached. stunning moment when mr. ildwater said "mr. president, counted, there are four very firm votes for you. i am not one of them. the next day nixon announced that he was going to resign. he was withdrawing from the battlefield. if you look back on it, you know, 45 years ago, he has to letting credit for not the war go on. our question this morning, asking you about your view of impeaching the president and the lessons of impeachments past. bite numbers are split a differently this morning. if you lived through the nixon impeachment effort, (202) 748

believe it or not, i was assigned by our teacher to read "the conscience of a conservative" by barry goldwater. i came from a democratic family but i remember thinking, i believe in a lot of this stuff. in college, it was the high point of the campus uprisings, the new left and so on. it is an interesting statistic that the leadership of the new left was drawn primarily from upper wealthy families. one of thee in conservative organizations, young americans for freedom, and we came primarily from working-class backgrounds. a lot of blue-collar. 19 76 you worked on the reagan campaign. frank: i did. i was the co-youth director. [laughter] frank: i told you not to laugh. craig: he ran briefly in 1968 but even he denied that he ran briefly in 1968. wasthe 1976 campaign monumental, important, and did change the republican party and the ark of reagan's future. frank: it definitely did change all of that. it was a long shot because we were challenging and incumbent president. craig: which is very unusual in the republican party. the last time was 1912. frank: the other thing you have to remember, pre

barry goldwater said the jig is up here. >> the question of what will the leadership of both partiesight now? they will both be telling different stories to the american people. there will be narrative that the trump presidency put out. there will be a narrative the democrats put out. the side that will be able to persuade more people will be the side that tells the more believable story. i think the mueller report didn't provide a story. what i mean by a story, somebody can sit next to somebody in a bar, somebody can sit next to somebody on a television set, this is what president trump did that violated the law, violated his oath of office, not just using those words, explaining what he did. bring the framers back in what they said about impeachment. this could be a time we learn the about country again. those of us who are historians, as terrible as it is we know it is one of those moments we'll look back to oldham mill ton, jefferson. i like that. neil: you're talking about 50 years out. we live in culture, 50 minutes, maybe 50 days now and then. you think of the next election. p

that turned when republicans turned, howard baker, you mentioned him, famously barry goldwater, who ultimatelystep down. we are a long, long way from that. but there are those who say that, you know, that's the kind of stuff that can transpire in hearings where they dig and dig and dig and all that. no idea where this goes. but play that out. >> well, remember where it played out with nixon. turned out there was this recording system in the oval office and we had the release of the famous tapes. does anybody think that there's a recording device in the oval office today and there are a bunch of tapes locked away in somebody's safe? no. and not only that, but you know, there was something at the heart of watergate. there was a break-in of the democratic national committee in the watergate building authorized by officials of the president's re-election campaign, then there was a subsequent knowing coverup including hush money that was paid. do we think that's going on now? there's absolutely no way. what are we concerned about today? what -- neil: real quick. >> headlines. pompeo confirms he was

famously, barry goldwater is asked by president nixon whether there were the votes on a potential article he said yes, mr. president, there are and frankly i would probably vote for it myself. i do want to suggest the republicans and the nixon period were eager to impeach nixon are they were always rigorously neutral, they were not. but they behaved as we would expect american-statesman to behave. facts,re interested in they were prepared to make hard judgments even when against their own political party. help thatat least congress in present day might take a lesson for those guys. impeachmentory of in the age of trump, mark bowman -- frank bowman is joining us. west virginia, good morning, ed. caller: good morning. it sounds to me as though the democrats are investigating the president for impeachment. can even get their appeal. host: let me stop you. --t republicans guest: despite what you are hearing from some of the president's defenders, what are going on in the closed are hearings are that all of the members of the committee doing the investigation are present, if they want to be, i

guest: by the time richard nixon was facing the republican delegation led by barry goldwater, not only support in the senate collapsed for him, but senate among the american people was collapsing as well. there was never such a moment for bill clinton, and as a result of which, not a single democratic senator broke ranks when the impeachment articles came across the capital from the house to the senate. it had the optics of a partisan exercise that was a total failure for republic -- republicans. host: polls coming out in a rapid pace asking people about impeachment this morning, fox news paul saying for those that thoseded, most of reporting support for impeachment. have ashington post" similar poll this week. much attention should we pay to these? guest: they are a good snapshot of public sentiment. the trendline over time, and not the snapshot right now. we have to look at the way the questions are worded, because some of the surveys ask about an impeachment inquiry and others talk about impeaching him in the house and removing him in the senate. there is more support for the senate

suborn perjury, you put this together, and that's when the republicans said no and told nixon, barry goldwater white house when the smoking gun tape was released, and nixon wondered how would he do with the senate republicans, and goldwater said, i've counted, and you have only four very firm votes, and one of them is not mine. the next day nixon announced he was resigning, so to get to this point of what is the trump government, who is trump, you can't just look at one path. you have to look at all. >> you know, mike pompeo, by the way, right now is in a press conference in italy. he's admitted finally to being on that phone call and actually said that the purpose of the entire phone call was simply to help ukraine push back against corruption in that country. if we have any other news worth reporting from that press conference, we will, of course, have our fact checkers look at it first, and then get it to you. so bob, judging from what you said and also our past phone conversations, you don't believe that a phone call and the president's words will be enough to move a sufficient amount of r

and the price tag associated with i didn't think it was possible she makes joe biden look like barry goldwatermuch he wants to spend virus success how much she wants to spend. he is starting to drop and she is surging but she is still far, far behind him with african-american voters. particularly in the state of south carolina which is an early primary state. she hasn't done well with that demographic. hence why i you see her introduce this environmental justice plan spends a trillion dollars on minority communities. steve: she is doing very well when it comes to fundraising. i have read stories here in new york city. papers say wall street while they might say yeah, we are going to support the democrat, if it were between elizabeth warren and trump they would vote for trump because they don't like what she would do to their industry. >> that's right. two prominent democrat donors quoted anonymously in the "the washington post" said they would sit out the election if elizabeth warren is the nominee. steve: stay tuned. just getting started. rachel, thank you for joining us today. >> thank you.

and there were meetings at the white house with barry goldwater and others who had great reservations. but in the summer of 1974, all that began to unwind. >> right. well, tom brokaw, thank you so much. the new book is "the fall of richard nixon: a reporter remembers watergate." i think there's a lot more conversations we need to have on this show with you about that. and we'll be hearing from tom again on friday, ahead of sunday's 50th anniversary of president nixon's famous silent majority speech. tom will have a piece for us on one of the most consequential and, ultimately, divisive speeches of nixon's presidency and what that silent majority might tell us about today's politi politics. tom brokaw, as always, thank you so much for being on. it's good to see you. time for final thoughts this morning. we'll give it to susan page. susan. >> so, unprecedented times. and i'll tell you what's unprecedented about today, a washington team in the seventh game of the world series. it's the first time since i've moved to washington. let's go nats. >> i like it! willie, do you agree? >> well,