republican barry goldwater who told president nixon, you don't have even a dozen votes in the senate and i'm not with you anymore, mr. president, once the smoking gun came out, once tapes came out. it only takes a simple majority in the house, but it takes two thirds of the senate and in today's world, that will mean a buy-in from both parties. >> something like a consensus is required. >> and i think it is abusive for the house to begin a process in hyper partisan ways because you will not be about to get a conviction. now clinton, democrats never bought into the impeachment in the house, so very predictably, you didn't get anything close to two thirds in the senate. so i'm a foe of partisan impeachment. senators take an oath to do impartial justice. i take that to mean im-party-al. imagine what you would do if the political shoe were on the other foot, which is a deep theme of charles black's book. it is ordinary to say well, that is my party, it's the republican platform to do this, it is the democratic platform to do that. i don't love obamacare but that's what we promised, it is

jon: they are nowhere near the barry goldwater of fine 74 and not in the same zip code as margaret chase smith. she gave speec shortly of a the lincolns birthday addressn i wheeling where he launched his crusader and called it the declaration of conscience. she only got six republicans to supporter. he dismissed a thems snow white and the six dwarfs yet four ars later that is where 22 republicans voted to censor hi we are here and this is what i would say as to republicans who haven suspended i many cases their critical faculties in exchange for raw power, you know there very well. the reason republicans are acting the way they are acting they are seeing numbe showing republicans in their state or district not only support the president but strongly support. that is the category that is so disorie disorienting to them. the republicans we talk about, the democrats we talk about in a warm and venerable way are the leaders whoook a risk and actually told their base of support sng that they didn't want to hear. think of america presidents. what is the one thing we think when we think of nixo

turned on him i mean at that point it would be very similar to what happened to richard nixon when barry goldwater who was really the dean of the senate republicans took a delegation from the hill to the white house and basically told richard nixon it's all over he doesn't have the votes and by the way i'm one of the senators that's not going to vote for you so that's where it has to be and if there's that kind of support in favor of removal. truck trample the history at that point but that remains to be seen as it is a former prosecutor today the republicans said that they want to subpoena the whistleblower and they also want hunter biden and joe biden to testify what are your thoughts on that. both that all those are ridiculous i mean then 1st of all the whistleblower has nothing to add he didn't have firsthand knowledge he was told by other people what happened everything that the whistleblower has said is all to now confirm the corroborated by other witnesses who have come forward including most importantly the transcript of the conversation between president trump and president zelinsky so th

yet the barry goldwater. all of these things are happening baldwin brought reaction to them. i say one of the most powerful stories on the baldwin side, his 1962, baldwin is invited on the television program, the open mind. the show was still on. involvement is invited on to debate james jackson kilpatrick. one of buckley's go to guys on rice. kilpatrick it just published a book called in defense of southern school segregation. who the open mind has the idea to get these two to set across the table from each other. involved with his friend as i just don't want him to do it but he thinks he has a duty to do it. is important to know is in a sit down to talk and what is happening in the streets. in mississippi, the battle is taking place. the university of mississippi is the scene of this battle. james meredith, the black air force veteran is try to register for your classes. all hell breaks loose. there are white mobs, people are killed or injured, federal troops of the command to quell what one official called an armed instruction that almost. who baldwin sits down with kilpat

he wants to replace him with john connolly, but prominent republicans like barry goldwater would not let this happen. so they are reelected in a landslide and agnew is the front runner for 1976. he is given the important responsibility of us -- of running the bicentennial, which agnew thinks is a loser of an issue. but as watergate begins to unspool, he looks like he's in a good position because he is so far out of orbit, he has nothing to do with watergate. mcgruder is playing tennis with agnew when agnew asks him going on. mcgruder says, my instinct was to be candid. we screwed up and we are trying to take care of it. agnew says come in that case, we had better not discuss it anymore. agnew knew right on to stay far away from this. butter 1973, agnew has his own problems with taking kickbacks while governor and vice president of the united states. these were largely off of contracts in the state of maryland where he got a percentage. bagst it in brown paper and you read the depositions in evidence and it is pretty damming. people like nixon's solicitor general thought agnew should

he looked at goldwater and said, barry, how many votes do i have in the senate trial in terms of being able to stay in office, expecting goldwater would tell him he had enough votes. go goldwater said, you have four votes as of now and you don't have mine. the next day, nixon decided he had to resign. it was a very different era of the republican party. look, we are looking at a war on truth. that is really the story of this presidency. if the republicans are willing to go along and endorse and be part of a war on truth, they're on trial too in the senate. whether or not it will be decades that they are tarred with being part of this war on truth, we'll have to wait and see if they go down the line and are unwilling to look at the evidence based on merit. >> let me ask you a question about adam schiff, because he of course is the chairman of the house intel committee that's leading this probe and has conducted all these hearings. he said today that what's been put out there is worse than nixon, but he won't say he's ready to impeach. does that make sense? >> yeah. i think it's a formal

prominent republicans, minority leader hugh scott and minority leader of the house john rhodes and barry goldwatericans and said you have got to resign, mr. president, to nixon. they were bipartisan events in american history. this was not. trish: nancy pelosi said she wanted it to be. it's too divisive for our country. she was direct when she said that, but she is not taking her own advice. perhaps the squad has gotten the better of her? >> she has got to keep her base. her base was moving ahead of her. when aoc started making those statements saying the real enemy is not the president, it's our own party, she had to move quickly to assert control. trish: it may help the future of aoc or any other member of the squad or anybody that's really anti-trump and made that their entire platform. but what about the battleground states that she needs. nancy pelosi needs and wants to get. by the wade, if you want to win the presidency you will need to be able to perform better and resonate in some of those other places. >> the biggest tragedy is for the country, not nancy pelosi or the democrat party. thin

1965, buckley was the second most prominent conservative in the united states second only to barry goldwater did he wasn't quite done yet. the students heard about buckley and they knew he was a right-wing polemicist and a critic of the civil rights revolution and so they were intrigued by the prospect of an intellectual battle before their eyes. so the space filled, it got harder and harder. the bbc was there to record the event for an international television audience. buckley and baldwin wer baldwine two embodiments of two movements. baldwin, the civil rights revolution and buckley, the american conservative movement. this book fires upon us is about the debate that it's about more than that. it constitutes as you can see it is a thick book. it could be used as a door stop or 11. [laughter] you could do some crows with it. it's 2 pounds. it's the two chapters about the debate on about 250 pages into the book because buckley and baldwin are almost exact contemporaries. buckley 41925, both in 1924, and they lived these parallel lives that are so radically different. different life experienc

names like howard baker of tennessee or barry goldwater of arizona and the list goes on. they really were profiles of courage and told nixon you lied to the country, you lied to me, you're gone. we don't see that gop in action right now. it's going to be an amazing vote of impeachment where a very may not be one republican in congress that votes to move the impeachment forward to having a senate trial. in the senate it might get different. they are larger and they have six-year terms. some of them have presidential ambitions or want to be day glow in the history books, there so mitt romney and a few others who potentially, only potentially might bolt but this is a president that ghknows robert frost poet said the only way out is through. the only way donald trump can get out of this is go through impeachment and get out ahead because the senate trial won't reject him from the white house and he'll be able to be running full steam in march and april with his base around him and he'll try to build that 70% back up to the 90% of his dreams. >> so, doug, the president, on fri

. >> elva sarandon cost barry goldwater the election. >> ever since we saw trump get elected.y said that couldn't happen. i don't say anything -- anything is possible. >> he does the apparel brand. $1.5 billion because he teamed up with adidas. >> neil: are these the ones that are $1,000? >> yeah, 500 to 1,000. he's moving the main factory to north america within the next two years to create more jobs. he has pretty good with what he does. >> doing the issues locally. >> neil: there's a trend here. >> if you have a social media platform. >> neil: i want your take on michael bloomberg running and elizabeth warren saying we don't need any billionaires. are you anti-billionaire? >> i feel bad for billionaires because she is mean to them. he can give me all of his money and he won't have to deal with it anymore. >> that might be a fraser-ali fight. has to go after trump. the bottom line is, bloomberg, it's not -- she's not going to win. >> put himself into a third -- >> could be kanye. let's go. >> neil: impeachment the movie is on only won't be a movie and you won't need to go to

he could not stand the idea of barry goldwater being nominated. he was opposed.ublican party nominated him anyway. barack obama is no dwight eisenhower. the day is over. the key word in the title former president is "former." it's over. however much he thinks he can direct advance, it's not going to happen. >> gregg: yeah, what's amazing, rachel, is how conspicuously silent obama has been about biden peered on the campaign trail, every speech, biden says, obama was my bff. political magazine is reporting that obama made derisive comments about biden. one quote was, you know who really doesn't have it? joe biden. what do you make of it? >> i don't agree with anything as far as the former president obama's policies but i will say this, he is a great politician. he sees that it is going to take a very formidable and strong person to go up against donald trump, who is a fighter and has a record, has a booming economy to go up against. he is warning the liberals here, he is a socialist. in my heart i believe obama is a socialist. he agrees with everything aoc and bern

number because that's what put a lot of pressure on the republican member it was senate when barry goldwaterd told mr. president, i've been your guy but it's become unsustainable for us, right now you don't see that kind of breaking from republican voters. so the question becomes do these hearings as congresswoman is saying begin to mobilize and catalyze republican voters. chris: here is the question i have and let me bring josh in this, i understand that we pay much more attention to the leaks, we pay much more attention than the transcripts than most people do but they are out there, the lead on the evening news, they have been in front page to have papers and so far, josh, it hasn't moved a single republican vote. >> nor has it moved the republican electorate, mo, you have an important point, if you look at the american people right now in particular republican primary electorate, not only are they move get away from the president, hardening, you have numbers in 85 plus in terms of their view of this being a quote, unquote, witch hunt. so, look, we are a long way away from republicans mov

barry goldwater allegedly said to him, you don't even have my vote. and that's when he resigned. >> and that was it. obviously the president we showed at that rally tonight talking about trying to keep republicans together. let's play this clip from the rally tonight. >> the republicans have great policy. in many ways they're better politicians, but they're not as vicious -- thank you, darling. i appreciate it. they're not as vicious, but they have a tendency to split apart. the democrats don't seem to have any mitt romneys. we do. >> so romney is on his mind there. romney has been one of the most outspoken trump critics who has emerged so far. how do you see the house vote this week? every single republican voted against the resolution. do you read that as if it comes to articles of impeachment, that means they're dug in? they'll all vote against articles of impeachment, or do you see wiggle room that vote doesn't actually indicate? >> i think right now they are unanimous in their support because they're afraid of donald trump. he is obviously bribin

replace him with john conley on the 1972 ticket but that prominent republicans, strom thurmond and barry goldwater wouldn't let it happen. so they are reelected in a landslide in 1972. spiro is named the front-runner for '7. there is a bumper sticker that runs "spiro of '76". but as watergate begins to unspool, agnew all of a sudden looks like he's in a very good position because he's so far out of nixon's orbit. he has absolutely nothing to do with watergate. so jeb mcgruder, who was an nixon aide, some of you who are watergate students will remember. he was playing tennis with agnew, and agnew asks what the hell is going on in mcgruder says, my instinct was to be candid. it was our operation, we screwed up, we are trying to take care of it. agnew says in that case i don't think we ought to discuss it anymore. he was right on. he knew stay away from this. basically at the same time in the spring and summer of 1973, agnew has his own problems, that's with taking kickbacks when he was county executive and governor and vice president of the united states. these were largely off contracts here in the

you have the airs of barry goldwater defending this policy. if two and a half years into his administration he didn't realize how important ukraine was to the world? hmm. >> preet bharara, our senior legal analyst, preet, you're listening to all the breaking news right now. this is no longer hearsay. this is a senior u.s. embassy official in ukraine. there's an ambassador, there's a dcm, and then there's a counselor for political affairs, david holmes is the counselor for political affairs. he overhears a conversation between the president of the united states and the u.s. ambassador to the eu in which the president makes these statements. this is no longer hearsay, this is somebody who is listening directly to the voice of the president. >> to the extent there are people who say, well, witnesses who were not part of the conversation can't be believed. obviously you can't say that about this person. as anybody knows, even if it were a court of law, which it's not, it's an impeachment proceeding and the technical rules of evidence don't apply.

i remember hearing clifton wh e white, an old barry goldwater strategy say in the 1980s was one of the more insane things about watergate, if you have to break into the party chairman's office you should already know what they're saying in the party chairman's office. so, arguing somehow or another the crime was not kmiz rat with the punishment here is not an argument. this is a president who has a pattern of abusing his power. and the fact that he can't do it very well is not a reason to leave someone at the pinnacle of power as the steward of a fragile, fragile, fragile 242-year constitutional order. there's something prophylactic about impeachment too. george mason at the constitutional convention said shall any man be above justice know particularly the man who can commit the most extensive injustice. and i think we should focus on that. this is also about committing even more extensive injustice. >> right. >> and what is the -- nothing is neutral. you can't be neutral on a moving train. there's nothing neutral about being complicit in some of this alleged conduct including what ju

those arizona senators at the time, barry goldwater and dennis the democrat, both suggested her and said she would be a fantastic candidate. her name was out there is a woman who might fit. the family thought the supreme court was so few seats available that come up. the odds are long. all of us including miney mom thought the odds were low. there was a confluence of so many people independently suggesting her that she became a serious candidate. the interview team came out to arizona as evan explained. my dad ended up walking amount to their car to see them off and he asked the question and said, let me ask you a question. you do not have to answer this. how many other people are you having conversations with like this? they said, this is the only one. they realize, ok, this is serious. so, they shared that with the family. oh, my goodness. this really might happen. but it is such a long shot. she was invited back, interviewed with the team at the white house over sort of a day and a half. and came back from that. she finally got the call. the call came into her and she was in her chamb

survived, he about -- he and barry goldwater had talked about doing that. >> they were both senators.ey respected each other. here, when you look at justice and thenand ginsburg look at the dead white guys around them -- [laughter] realize that yes, progress is possible. >> progress is possible. senator oh dale and i became friends. she was a mother who raised three boys and a conservative republican. she and ruth bader ginsburg were best of friends. this is kind of the equivalent of the carrie-mccain picture. president ford loved interacting with the press. he was one of the presidents who believed in the constitution and the first, second, third, fourth amendment. pressld interact with the . and a reporter from a little newspaper. him some always ask totally off-the-wall question. said --s secretary >> i just can't wait to hear what she is going to ask me. photograph, you see the clues of photos, film cameras and then a video. this is really a transitional moment in media. changedwhere everything to media coverage. 1976. >> we are watching the press here. backe not just looking beca

believe it or not, i was assigned by our teacher to read "the conscience of a conservative" by barry goldwater. i came from a democratic family but i remember thinking, i believe in a lot of this stuff. in college, it was the high point of the campus uprisings, the new left and so on. it is an interesting statistic that the leadership of the new left was drawn primarily from upper wealthy families. i was active in one of the conservative organizations, young americans for freedom, and we came primarily from working-class backgrounds. a lot of blue-collar. craig: you worked on the 19 76 reagan campaign. frank: i did. i was the co-youth director. [laughter] frank: i told you not to laugh. craig: he ran briefly in 1968 but even he denied that he ran briefly in 1968. but the 1976 campaign was monumental, important, and did change the republican party and the ark of reagan's future. frank: it definitely did change all of that. it was a long shot because we were challenging and incumbent president. craig: which is very unusual in the republican party. the last time was 1912. frank: the other thing y

. >> barry goldwater and john rhoads and hugh scott. >> exactly. >> that's what happens.at's -- so, that's job one. job one for the election next year is to make sure that we not only get rid of trump or trump's replacement, but we get rid of that which gave us trump. that's really what the real issue should be. and if we keep -- if we keep supporting -- i was listening earlier, listening, i have so much respect for senator mccaskill here, and everyone cried when you were not returned last year -- >> my husband's a michigander, so, we think you're pretty cool, too. >> then that's even better. but i really -- i want to redefine in the way last time i was here, we talk about the working class and i said, the majority of the working class actually are women, people of color and young people are paid the least. so, when we say working class, it's always, we're always evoking this image of lunch bucket joe. the actual working class of 2019 is a 30-year-old black woman. that's really the working class. and when you say working class, i want everybody to always think, now, that'

republican party that had people who would be called liberals, but also had a right wing, people like barry goldwaterals than richard nixon. >> but sure saying there's still time? >> sure. we don't know what will happen. early on in the nixon process and the hearings it didn't look like too many republicans were going to turn on him either. so sometimes the emergence of facts, the emergence of information does change minds. >> but here's the problem. the facts are out, aren't they? i mean, i don't want to sound naive here, but not all of them of course. but much of the facts, i mean -- >> enough. >> during watergate when the facts rolled out, didn't you see somewhat of a shift, you know, wa tap with tapes? it was very obvious. the white house actually released a memo saying that this happened many weeks ago. >> the crit kaical factor about nixon was that the white house released the tapes which ended up incriminating him. if we do, for example, find out that even though this is an incriminating mem call about the ukraine call, if that was doctored and there was more, who knows. i'm not predicting --