but anyway, we all picked on barry goldwater as the guy we wanted so he had to have a book also. so he had a book. when you run for president, you have to have a book and his book was called "the conscience of a conservative compo which soon came out in paperback and also had a big sale. and we all know that actually the book was written by brett thousand else who is the father of the guy that runs that media organization today. but dean manion, dean clarence manion gave it the title and this is the first time people began to call themselves conservative. after the conscience of a conservative came out, this was kind of proof that conservatives were not heartless people. they really had a conscience and we began probably to call ourselves conservatives. and so we were studying all the time and reading widely. reading the books of the ex-communist like budenz and chambers and so -- to know what it was all about and beginning to plan for barry goldwater. we made a try for him in chicago in 1960 and that is when we didn't have enough votes and barry goldwater came out on the tv and

agree that trump is not barry goldwater or ronald reagan.need to focus on, and first of two questions on russia before i go to jonathan ferro, is the simple idea of the back pages of your book. the heated debate this morning is where you involved in briefing the president or discussing with other intelligence community members, or the pentagon, about the russians paying bounty hunters in afghanistan to kill marines? you stated to the associated press that that is not the case. i need you to recapitulate that right now. did you come late in your term at the white house, speak to the president about these matters? mr. bolton: what i said was no comment. that is the same thing i am going to say today. we are embroiled in litigation with theer i complied requirements of the prepublication review process, which i did. i did not write this book with the intention of writing -- of putting classified information and it. donald trump does not want the american people to read it. with respect to russia and what they are up to in afghanistan, honestly,

and it came out in 1964, about six months before the presidential election when barry goldwater was aepublican candidate. and it designed to really be a book to pull together disparate strands on the right and hopefully bring them into one camp that would eventually coalesce into a vibrant political movement. it did not succeed in 1964, but they did succeed at least at the ballot box with the election of ronald reagan. so i feel like we are in a time of transition on the right right now and we are figuring out where we are going to go. and it might not translate into an electoral victory in november, but really what we are doing is looking at the bigger picture in sort of examining the roots of where america should go as a country and what conservatism has to say about that. susan: if one searches top conservative magazines on the internet, there is a group called thought company, which ranks your public agent number three and wrote this description. it is the magazine for the disenfranchised conservative, the one who was uncomfortable with the rash of false conservatives who have com

look, i got my start in politics at the ripe old age of 15, handing out leaflets for barry goldwaterican -- >> stephen: you sound like fun! >> yeah. believe me. i was a white house summer intern for spiro agnew in 1972. >> stephen: uh-huh. >> i worked-- that was before being a white house intern was famous. i worked in the reagan administration. i worked in both bush administrations. i have written more op-eds than i can count, given speeches. i've been a conservative all my life. and to me, this is-- this is about philosophy. -- i dha to goo government. you certainly don't go into government for financial reasons. i just could have stayed but to me, particularly in the national security field, it's philosophy driven. and that was one of my principal problems with donald trump as i experienced it. >> stephen: you know, you didn't have to go into government, and you didn't have to go into the trump administration. you had to know that that was a- - a whirlpool of chaos in there, even those of us looking from the outside who never got to go in could see it. why did you go in knowing ho

democratic foreign policyy back to the time of scoop jackson, john kennedy, and, dare i say, barry goldwater that is an obstacle for vice president biden, especially if he wants to attract more centrists and republicans. he is the leader of a democratic they that, frankly, progressive flank thought that hillary clinton was to hawkish. biden wants to move beyond clinton in terms of the is staringbut biden down a progressive flank that is skeptical of hawkish worldviews. indeed, ambassador bolton has had he does not necessarily want joe biden to become president. republican pushback against some of trump's policies. how much is there for a harder stance, toward russia in thiscular, on the heels of news about bounties put on american fighters in afghanistan? >> it will be interesting to see whether you hear from people like senator lindsey graham, marco rubio, to add additional sanctions. this is a big however. this story have been republicans saying this was a leak the intelligence community, as it relates to this report. and they were leaked by lower level staffers. lowerould argue that level

am: he is a nationalist, disciple of barry goldwater from long ago and far away, that kind of republicanuld say that john bolton is an americanist. we do know he is an author of over 700 page book, over 500 pages, it has made a huge splash. we spoke to ambassador bolton yesterday. here he is on the future of republican politics. john: i think it is difficult, ae way these past three and half, four years have evolved, for them to be as independent as i think many of them want. a lot of people who were never republicany the leadership is complicit. the fact is, nobody wants to be the subject of a donald trump two minutes hate on twitter. i think we will have to have within the republican party, a very significant conversation after november 3, especially if trump loses, which is at least a about --sibility, at about the future of the party. i want to make it clear that donald trump does not represent conservative philosophy. he does not represent the republican party. he is an anomaly, and i am not going to vote for him for the first time in my adult life, i am not going to vote -- vote fo

republicans nominated barry goldwater in 1964, who was an opponent of the civil rights act, and that helped set the idea that as bad as them across, in many cases, had been, the remaining blacks who were looking at this started to switch to the democrats who were for the civil rights act of 1964 in the have managed to keep the allegiance of the black community ever since. host: i want to get your reaction. this is a headline from an opinion piece in "the washington post." "john roberts has gone kennedy." justice retired, a swing vote. the is your view of performance of the chief justice in his recent rulings? guest: yes, i wrote an op-ed on this and which i hypothesize trying toroberts is do is preserve the independence of the court in the face of progressive efforts to pack the court. after the kavanaugh the mission there were specific as anger on the left and you heard arguments that we should expand the number of supreme court justices, and i think with the chief justice may the thinking is, if i can side with them to show it's not an majority on key issues, such as the abortion c

and this led to my making a speech on behalf of barry goldwater that was played on national television. speech, result of that a group of prominent party members came to me before the 1966 governor race in california and claimed that i was the only one who could bring the party together. it was quite divided and split up. and when the election. i -- win the election. i thought they were crazy. i said you pick someone else and campaign for them. pretty soon, nancy and i could not sleep. what if they are right and we live with ourselves if we keep saying no? finally, i made a proposal to them that i would go out on a circuit throughout the state making speeches and come back and tell them whether they were right or wrong. and i came back and told nancy i thought maybe they were right. so i finally gave in. you know, i was well into the campaign before i realized i would not be back in show business by november when election time came. it suddenly dawned on me i might win and that was the end of show business for me. reporter: before that, when you were with the screen actors guild in hol

this is kind of an oldie but goody tactic that goes back to the 1960s t barry goldwater days when people were moving out to the suburbs in the years after world war ii, but the suburbs have changed an awful lot since trump was even developing housing, his family was. the suburbs, however you want to define them, are much more mixed now, much more diverse like the rest of the country, so hard to see this one really benefiting. it is going to resonate with some people, but you might lose as many people, as many voters as you gain. >> all right. david mark, thank you. stay close. i will talk you do again in just a little bit. >>> so the ceos of amazon, apple, facebook, and google faced tough questions about the companies' power. they tried to highlight that their companies offer beneficial tools in an industry of competition. a congressman questioned bezos that the company used third-party sellers to launch competing products. >> does amazon ever access and use third-party seller data in making decisions and yes or no will suffice. >> i'm can't answer yes or number what i can tell you, we h

>> i think the quickest analogy that comes to mind is 1964, when the republicans nominated barry goldwater, a ferocious and divisive convention in san francisco. nelson rockefeller is booed. jackie robinson recalled that being at the cow palace gave him the sense of what it might have been like to be a jew in hitler's germany. that tells you about the ferocity of that moment. it was a blowout for president johnson. huge majorities in the house and the senate for him. james reston the next day wrote a piece in "the new york times" saying that conservatism was dead in america for a generation. and then in 1966, i think about 60 house seats flipped to the republicans. a political -- a familiar political face that people thought was gone forever named richard nixon had spent a lot of time out on the midterm campaign trail, and ronald reagan became governor of california. and so american politics is action/reaction. president obama in '08, tea party backlash in '10. trump in '16, pretty good midterm for the democrats last time. we are just on a knife's edge politically. it's a 51-49 nation. and

pursued a philosophy of conservative republican thought since i was 15 and handed out leaflets for barry goldwater. that's the same philosophy i held when i joined the trump administration. it's the philosophy i hold today. what i described in the book is what actually goes on in the trump presidency and the truth is painful. he is not a philosophical conservative and i don't think he's competent to hold the job. i think there's an obligation on people who know the truth to tell it. and that's what i've done. eric: and what do you think of the future of our nation? we have this election coming up. are you fearful? are you hopeful? do you have confidence? >> well, i have great confidence in the country. i'm worried about this election. i'm particularly worried about what a second term with donald trump in office would mean for america. i think after one term we can clearly correct the mistakes that have been made. two terms leave me much more worried. eric: ambassador john bolton, who has a startling book out as we know and has come under a lot of fire from both sides in washington probably will co

she correctly identified people and, of course, very -- barry goldwater was the nominee in 1964. here is another question about politics. "at the time of his appointment to the, there was publicity that robert mcnamara had to sell his ford holdings. do you think it is necessary to penalize public servants in this way? it seems to me that if our cabinet members cannot be trusted to separate personal interests from public duty, they shouldn't be trusted in such important positions at all." eleanor says, "it is customary , and has been for many years, for people accepting positions in government to divest themselves of holdings in any enterprise that does business with the government. it is not a question of distrust. it is a question of influence. that might stem from the fact that they have such holdings. therefore, it is probably a wise decision that no one working in the government should have a considerable interest in any company transacting business with the government." one final question about women in politics. this comes from march of 1962, so shortly before eleanor dies.

seen now, but in the final days of nixon's presidency, the great republican leadership led by barry goldwaterite house and told nixon he had to leave office because of what he had done to undermine the national interests through his reckless and outrageous and illegal acts. something similar is needed now if only the republican leadership and other republicans would go publicly and say to this president, all right, you want to stay for the rest of your term but we are going to be a caretaker until this election and you must begin to act in the national interests and in fact we would like to find another alternative to run as the republican nominee for president of the united states. >> wow. >> do you see president trump -- president trump as more dangerous as richard nixon and acting more recklessly? >> absolutely. i don't think there's any question about richard nixon's competence. he understood history. watergate was a terrible abuse of power, the likes of which we had never seen. up until that time. this is a totally different situation. we have a president of the united states now who dem

a liberal in the 1950s in 1960s harvard but when he encounters real american conservatives, barry goldwater'ssupporters of the 1964 republican convention he was appalled, had a very uneasy relationship with the right of the republican party and conservatives as well. that is one of the interesting things about kissinger's predicament. let me claim why he is a controversial figure, he has enemies on the left, hirsch and christopher hitchens who attacked him from the left but had many enemies on the right particularly in the debates in the 1970s about whether the soviet union was a sellout. >> host: the book is called the area list which is a contrarian take on kissinger who is described as the ultimate realist, a direct descendent of machiavelli. you explain in the book, really not a real sunny notion of idealism. it is more of a can'tian notion of idealism. can you explain to the audience at home what you mean by idealist when it comes to kissinger? notion traditionally is more communism but that's not the description for you. >> most people think of henry kissinger as the ultimate realist an

everyone remembered what happened 60 years earlier to barry goldwater.lost one of the most lop side ed elections ever. would americans actually vote for ronald reagan. that's where the idea of ford came in. he had stature. he had experience. he'd come within a whisker of winning a full-term as president in 1976 and he had only gotten more popular since. that was the idea, an all star ticket, reagan and ford. in that clip you saw was from the early evening july 16th, 1980 and drama would onld build as ford went from his mildly curious state to being very interested in that nam nation for vice president. the chatter grew louder as they prepared a resolution to draft him. a meeting and negotiations. then supposedly a deal. by now the hour was late, but delegates were asked to stay in the hall. ronald reagan was on his way over, and then he had an announcement to make. >> it seems to me, david, that let's see, donald reagan wouldn't come over here, keep these delegates waiting, word is around down on the floor. >> they must all know. >> to say i have not str

being soft on russia soft on china if you look but to a republican candidate nobody have accused barry goldwater of being soft on the soviet union just the opposite the democratic attack and goldwater was that it was a war monger as though something very different as opposed to that line of tradition the you point to in the politics of donald trump. well let me just make one observation i mean the soviet union that doesn't exist it said that what you see out of russia is a very different nation and i think the president recognizes that obviously russia is a major superpower both its its history as well as its nuclear power and so you've got to relate to them differently than others but i just think the president is right on that that there's that's not our enemy anymore in fact frankly watch the conduct between russia and america and you think why are these 2 nations allies and friends they've got more in common than not as opposed to china you know which is what they're going with their to communist china when they're on the march the criticism in america is very lazy now it's not a criticism a

"the new york times" wrote that conservatism was dead for a generation on the day after barry goldwaterin 1964. in 1966, richard nixon, the former vice president, spent a lot of time on the midterm circuit. the republicans had a huge year. ronald reagan became governor of california. and you were setting up a kind of backlash. lyndon johnson had about as much time as president kennedy had entirely in office to deal and execute the mandate he received in '64. so american politics is a pendulum. anyone who thinks this presidential election is over is crazy. absolutely. it is 100 days and what we're seeing, i think, to go to what michael was saying, is a conscience effort to show and to sow certain kind of chaos in the country so that trump can appear to be the fortten brass like hamilton and the figure we need to think about and the country will have him on its mind for about 24 hours or so, is not richard nixon, but george wallace who was the governor of alabama, who was the last person, i believe, to lie in state at alabama capitol where congressman lewis is headed on highway 80 and wal

. >> she was also a preteen, if i have the age right, she was reading barry goldwater's conscious of the conservative. >> she was a teenager biden. >> still, very young to be reading that. i was reading those books, but not as a teenager. she also had a high school teacher who was very conservative, influencing her in the other direction. do you know about the role he played in her life? >> she had conservative teachers in that period, but so did all of us. i don't think that teacher had a profound influence, no more so than her father. but it was enough to have her thinking in those directions politically, but not internally. you -- i think those were the two key influences, and as i say, it transcended politics. >> two other ways from other had an important influence on her. she wanted her to have equal liberty, and so she used a carpenters level as a visual to say keep the bubble in the middle. and they want to warn her to never get divorced because dorothy rodham's parents had been divorced and it hurt her. so hillary never agreed to give bill clinton a divorce, even though at on

used to work for spiro agnew, used to work for barry goldwater and he's just this curmudgeon it seems like. he just ripped the curtain off from behind how the campaigns in 1976 were run and he has detailed reporting of all the negotiations that went intotaking it look like ronald reagan was giving a spontaneous speech . but actually , giving this speech that was choreographed right down to the pretend that we don't want to give a speech . >> what's look at the first part of this where gerald ford is calling ronald reagan to thestage and then i'll get your reaction . >> ronald reagan is asked to come down and join us area their gesturing to him. so signing autographs. and the box might not even be able to see the president . he's shouting into the microphone. would you come down and bring nancy, says the president. come on down. they just deliveredthe alabama standard . >> that's john chancellor and also david brinkley to john souza on the screen. what's going on right here in mark. >> this is the part where they ronald reagan's kind of seems reluctant and he finally kind of wins thecr

. >> she was also a preteen if i had the anyone right reading barry goldwater as conscience of the conservativeas a -- >> she was a teenager. >> but still young to be reading those books as a teenager. but she also had a high school teacher who was conservative and influencing her the other direction. do you know about the role he played in her life? >> she did have some conservative teachers in that period so did all of us. i don't think that teacher had a profound influence no more so than her father but enough to have her thinking in those directions politically. but not internally. so i would not say that any teachers at main township high school had more influence on her than the youth minister of the methodist church or her mother. i think those were the two key influences and it transcended politics. >> and her mother had an wanted her to have even walib ra um and she used it as a visual to say keeppv the bubble in the middle. her, never get divorced.  abandoned her and it blighted her life so hillary clinton never agreed to give bill clinton a divorce even though he wanted it. but the

people there weren't just men with their eyes on the country, we remember that when barry goldwater run for president, ronald reagan gave a much commented on. speech >> the speech. >> that right. that was the coming out speech for ronald reagan. and all of those forces, those disparate forces came together while he was still on the governors. office and they jailed, more are, less and that year after, so that in 1976 when gerald ford was running for election, ronald reagan popped on the public consciousness as a very, appealing conservative potential challenger for gerald fareed. >> well, remember he already ran in 1968 for president. i have a story about nancy in the oral yeast presidential conversation. maureen reagan is writing her dad, letters and they communicated. they wrote all these letters back and forth, and she's trying to encourage him to run for governor. and she says she doesn't really know how far down the road he is with this political, thing because she says you could be governor. he writes, back well if we want to talk about what i, could be i could be president. this

we remember that when barry goldwater ran for president, ronald reagan gave a much-commented-on speech>> the speech. >> the -- in fact it was the -- that's right, that was the coming -- you can argue the coming-out speech for ronald reagan. and all of those forces, those disparate forces came together while he was still in the governor's office. and they gelled, more or less, in that year after, so that in -- when gerald ford was running for election -- he, of course, succeeded richard nixon -- in 1976, ronald reagan popped on the public consciousness as a very appealing, conservative potential challenger for gerald ford. >> well, remember, he'd already run in 1968 for president. i have a story about nancy in the earliest presidential conversation. maureen reagan is writing her dad letters, and they communicated. they wrote all these letters back and forth, and she's trying to encourage him to run for governor. and she says she doesn't really know kind of how far down the road he is with this political thing, because she said, you know, you could be governor. and he writes back, he say

the senile attack was used on barry goldwater, ronald reagan, and he won and bob dole.it might resonate better if the messenger was a little bit better on this. trump has raised his own concerns about his acuity. it would be better if it was not coming from a guy who is 74 and has his own issues, criticizing a guy who's 77. >> understood. how big is joe biden as running may. kamala harris, folks are talking about her but she was not so nice to him during the first debate. how does that play out? >> it's a big deal to political dorks like us. this year this means more because joe biden is 77 and the person who you choose, who we choose to be a heartbeat away from the president matters. right now joe biden said he will choose a vice president by august 1st and said it will be a woman and kamala harris, by all measures, is one of the leaders in the vice president stakes, but don't sleep on karen bass. she is a congresswoman from los angeles. had her on a podcast. she's been there for ten years, head of the congressional black caucus, led the state chamber legislature when

gerrymandering being done is by the koch brothers over a 50 year period since the election of barry goldwaterand it is done here in the united states, we have to stop doing what is politically correct and start doing what is morally correct and take care of -- correcting ourselves and not trying to correct the whole world all the time. from: let's go to brendan -- brenda from houston, texas on the democratic line. caller: thanks for taking my call. wow, that wouldn't be very wise for america to get into some with -- i'mtion sorry, i've lost my thought. china, my point is manufacturs our masks, war missiles, and because of the ungodly greed of corporate america and the republicans. they've really gotten us into a real pickle and the man in the white house is the problem. he is the problem. is causing the downfall of america. thanks for taking my call. jesse: let's see what the reaction has been in china to this rising tension between the united states and the backcountry. let's go to jonathan cheng, the wall street journal's china bureau chief who will join us from beijing, china. jonathan, go

barry goldwater, in 1974, got off his ass, went to the other side of pennsylvania avenue, and told richard nixon it was time to go. do you have the courage to do that? last four years suggest that you don't. but i will just say, at the end of july, 2020, the same thing i warned you about in february of 2016, before super tuesday, that donald trump will lead to the end of the party of abraham lincoln. maybe not this week, maybe not this month, maybe not even this election, but it's coming. and your window is closing. i'll end by saying this, we had epidemiologists on this show, we had doctors on the show, we had health experts on the show back in march, they kept saying the same thing, we have to act now on the coronavirus or the window is closing. we could have 50,000 deaths in america. we could have 75,000, 100,000, 150,000 -- the window is closing. we kept saying it, the epidemiologists kept saying it, doctors kept saying it, doctors kept saying it, donald trump kept ignoring it, you kept quiet and here we are at 150,000 we don't know how high that number is going to go now. maybe you di

they nominated barry goldwater, who was an opponent of the civil rights act, and that helped set thea that as bad as , therants had been remaining blacks who were looking at this started to switch to the democrats who work for the civil rights act of 64 and they managed to keep the allegiance of the black community ever since. is a headline from an opinion piece in the washington post. john roberts has gone full anthony kennedy. kennedy was a key swing vote in a number of 5-4 decisions, siding with the more liberal wing of the supreme court. what is your view of his performance as the chief justice? guest: i wrote an op-ed on this or i hypothesized that what roberts is trying to do is preserve the independence of the court in the face of progressive efforts to try and pack the court, that after the kavanaugh nomination, there was a vociferous anger from the left and suddenly you heard arguments saying we should expand the number of supreme court justices. what he may be thinking is that if i can side with them to show it is not an implacable 5-4 majority against them on key issues, s

republicans nominated barry goldwater in 1964, who was an opponent of the civil rights act, and thatelped set the idea that as bad as them across, in many cases, had been, the remaining blacks who were looking at this started to switch to the democrats who were for the civil rights act of 1964 in the have managed to keep the allegiance of the black community ever since. host: i want to get your reaction. this is a headline from an opinion piece in "the washington post." "john roberts has gone kennedy." justice retired, a swing vote. the is your view of performance of the chief justice in his recent rulings? guest: yes, i wrote an op-ed on this and which i hypothesize trying toroberts is do is preserve the independence of the court in the face of progressive efforts to pack the court. after the kavanaugh the mission there were specific as anger on the left and you heard arguments that we should expand the number of supreme court justices, and i think with the chief justice may the thinking is, if i can side with them to show it's not an majority on key issues, such as the abortion cas