[applause] he called and barry goldwater, who was contemplating running for president in 1964, and theye to an agreement. buckley would speak out first forcefully against the john birch society, and then goldwater would follow up with a forceful letter to the national review supporting buckley's position. so buckley went out there and wrote a 5000 word editorial that only william f buckley junior could do, laying out the case, and i refer you to go back to it because it's exquisite language against lies in falsehoods and authoritarianism in a democracy. goldwater saw the reaction to it by some members of the party and he backed out. he backed away from his agreement with buckley. but luckily for william f buckley and even more buckley for our party, someone else dubbed forward, ronald reagan. [applause] ronald reagan wrote a letter to the national review saying that the john birch society was not his republican party and that it could cost him the ability to run for office and reagan had not run for anything. it cost them the ability to run for office then so be it. the integrity of our

he won two years later, but barry goldwater was flying in the knoxville to speak at a campaign rally. and they got an advance copy of his speech, and in his speech he was coming to knoxville and was advocating the sale of tva. well, my dad called howard baker and they decided that they were not going to go to the airport for the rally. if he, if senator goldwater said that. and so guy smith was the republican editor of the knoxville journal, the morning newspaper, and use one who got them that advanced copy. so then howard baker called everett dirksen, and everett dirksen called the goldwater plane and got that part of the speech removed from the rally. >> congressman, can you read about that in this excellent book "from batboy to congressman"? >> yes. >> i will say this. there are bad people in both parties. i mean, for instance, it really bothers me that conservatives, conservative students are attack on college campuses and that they have to get an extra security when a conservative goes to speak to a young republican or a young americans for freedom group. george will has written,

this book would break from the traditional version of the southern strategy that says that barry goldwater, richard nixon and ronald reagan would break the democratic party's solid south and also segments of the north by capitalizing on the the reactions of white to the events of the 1960, when events about the counterculture or the decline, about traditional, the decrease union membership, the tendency whites to see themselves as home tax payers school parents rather than workers or reshaping the political thinking. but i also want to to be sure, the democratic party's support for a affirmative action, school bussing, welfare race made these northern southern white voters conclude that the party no longer protected their interests. but those african-americans. so in order to attract these disaffected voters into the gop, fold it was politicians like goldwater and and nixon. they developed this southern strategy and they framed colorblind discourse of rights, freedom, individual, small government and appealed to the middle class. suburbanites. now republican, colorblind conservatism appeal

in fact a little morris county historical note barry goldwater was the last republican. to lose morris county for president until donald trump in 2020 from 64 to 2020 mars county voted for every republican presidential candidate. they rejected goldwater. and they rejected trump in 2020. and and i think there's an interesting i didn't put it in the book because nobody would really care about that historical comparison, but this audience will and i think it says something about historical comparison that we're making so i think it's it's an interesting chapter to place the chapters that follow into context. which is whether you're talking about birtherism or qanon or pizza gate or the election? conspiracies that we're not in a unique time. i i hate when i hear commentators on television say we are in the most dangerous time in the history of this country where more divided than we've ever been in our history. now. i had someone say that abc one day and and then george came to me and i said, i don't know. seems to me the civil war was probably a time when we were more divide

in fact a little at mars county historical note, barry goldwater was the last republican to lose mars county and for president till donald trump in 2020. for 64 -- 2020 mars county but for every republican presidential candidate. they rejected goldwater and they rejected trump in 2020. and i think there's interesting i did not put in the book because no one would really care, about that historical comparison. but this audience will. and i think it says something about this comparison we are making. so i think it is interesting chapter in place the chapters to tfollow into context you're talking mcewenct on, the gate or the election conspiracy. we are not in a unique time. i hate when hear commentators on television say we are in the most dangeroustr time in the history of this country. we are more divided them if ever been in our history. somebody said on abc one day and then george came to me and said i don't know. it seems to me the civil war was improbably at simo and we were more divided than we are now. just a random thoughts. maybe we could inject a little common sense into the

he called in barry goldwater, who was contemplating running for president and he and goldwater came tont. buckley what speak out first but -- against the society and goldwater would follow up with a force work -- both for -- force for -- forceful letter. i referred you to go back because it is exquisite ranges -- language against the and falsehoods and authoritarianism in a democracy. goldwater saw the root -- reaction to it by some members in the party and he backed up. -- backed out. he backed away from his agreement with buckley. luckily for buckley and others in our party, someone stepped forward. ronald reagan. [applause] ronald reagan wrote a list -- letter to the national review, saying that the john brooks -- burks society was not his republican party. reagan had not won for anything -- run for anything. with the integrity of our party and the vibrancy of our democracy was more important to reagan than his own personal ambition. someone asked how would you deal with this if you decide to win -- run for office. i want to read this to you. he said, " it would be my intention if i

and he lost monumentally in fact here's a little historicalwa note barry goldwater was the last republican to lose the county for president until trump in 202064 through 2020 voted for every republican candidate they rejected goldwater and 2 trump in 2020 and there is an interesting i wasn't sure anybody would care about that but this audience will and i think it says something of these historical comparisons we are making. it is an interesting chapter for those that follow into context talking about q-anon or pizza gate or the election i hate when i hear commentators say we are in the most dangerous time in the historyn of this country we are more divided than we ever have been. george came to me and i said i don't know. it seems to me the civil war was a time we were more divided. [laughter] >> when you are doing debate prep with the president and you wentpl into with reams of examples from incumbent presidents tell the audience what you told president trump. >> i did debate prep for 2016 pitcher this but i played hillary clinton. [laughter]pr and debate prep in 2016. i didn't do the fir

culminate in 1964 in barry goldwater's nomination. the republican ticket. ironically the goldwater campaign t was managed the more prominent of this institution blocks buckley out of the campaign. he was afraid goldwater would be associate with national review with bill buckley. that kind of political energy also expressed itself in his early friendship with ronald reagan. it even got to the point later in his life he was willing to intervene, buckley that his democrat primaries for support democrat candidates including one joe lieberman in order to get rid of the original, came of age at the tail end of this. in college and grew up reading bob bartley's pages. i had a conservative econ it gave me his issue of national review i did not know what it was. i think you should take this and i will just give you my copy when i'm done with that. just consumed it and really took it to national view if you are young budding conservative in the late '80s early 90s this is the path you took. the mints to this in different times when people are coming of age in the con

reminds me a little bit of what happened in 1964, when there was a really powerful faction behind barry goldwaterthe conservative candidate. there were lots of establishment republicans who did not want him as the candidate, and there was a realloor fight, because that is how you pick your presidential candidates, in 1964 over what the future of the party itself was going to be. geoff: on the democratic side, as we said, there's a generational shift happening in leadership. institutional convictions can be a real impediment to the younger generation, especially in congress where power is built on seniority that takes years to accrue. beverly: right. at the moment we have a whole generation, really two generations of democratic politicians who have been waiting for their moment in the sun. pelosi stepping aside for the democrats is really going to make that kind of generational shift possible. as you say, tehre's -- there are lots of aspects of the ways we structure our politics that tend to favor people who are older, people who stay in office longer. quite famously the white south, when it was i

played a big role in this in the early draft goldwater campaign that only needed in 1954 in barry goldwater's nomination, conservative nomination for president on the republican ticket. ironically than the goldwater campaign which was managed by one of the most prominent presidents of this institution locked buckley out of the campaign so he was afraid old water would be associated with national review and ssbuild buckley but that political energy also expressed itself in his early friendship with ronald reagan and even got to the point later in his life where he was willing to intervene, buckley that is in the democratic primaries. or support democratic candidates including one to lieberman in connecticut in order to get rid of the original me-tooer i came of age and is studied friedman in college and grew up reading bob bartley's papers and i had a conservative econ professor who gave me this issue of national review. i didn't know whatit was . it was in the late 80s in college and he said i think you should take this and i'll just give you my copy when i'm done with it. and then i just con

in fact, a little morris county historical note, barry goldwater was a last republican to lose morris county for president until donald trump in 2020. from 1964 to 2020, morris county voted for every republican residential candidate. they rejected goldwater. and they rejected trump in 2020. and i think it's interesting, i didn't put it in the book because nobody would really care about that historical comparison, but this audience will pick become you thinks something about historical comparisons that we are making. so i think it's an interesting chapter to place the chapter that follows it into context, which is whether you're talking birtherism or qanon or pizzagate or the election. conspiracies that were not any unique time. i hate when i hear commentators on television say we are in the most dangerous time in the history of this country. we are more divided than we've ever been in our history. now, i've some would say that on abc one day and i said, george can you i said i don't know, seems to me the civil war was probably a time when we're more divided than we are now. just a ran

strategy, and it breaks from the traditional understanding, the southern strategy, which saw barry goldwater. my my book was called not. it came out in 2015. the birth of the southern strategy and the rise of the far right in dallas. and this this book would break from the traditional version of the southern strategy that says that goldwater, richard nixon, ronald reagan would break the democratic solid south and also segments of the north by capitalizing on the the reactions of white voters to the events of the 1960s when events about the counterculture the decline about traditional sex, the decrease in union membership, the tendency of whites to see themselves as homeowners, tax payers, school parents rather than workers or reshaping the political thinking. but i also want to to be sure, the democratic party's support for affirmative action school welfare race made northern and southern white conclude that the party no longer protected their interests. but those of african-americans. so in order to attract these disaffected voters into the gop fold, it was politician like goldwater and and

barry goldwater was flying into knoxville.y called in howard baker and decided that they were not going to go to the airport for the rally if senator goldwater said that. >> there are people in both parties for instance it really bothers me that conservative students are attacked on college campuses and they have to get extra security when the conservative goes to speak to the young republican or young americans for freedom and george will says that the place with the least freedom of speech in thisis country today is on colle and university campuses. if w that's true, and i'm sure u would disagree but if that's true, you say there's some truth to that, that's interesting. >> all i can tell you is this, if you go to any republican club or republican meeting inn this country, you would find mostly very, very fine people, very good people who love this country and who are sincerely trying to make things better. that's thean main thing i can tl you and i spoke about 2,000 times to school groups about half inng washington and half

it deals with those people who tried to become president barry goldwater bobby kennedy hubert humphrey george mcgovern george wallace. runs too so much of the 1960s talks about supreme court justices. it talks about a general or to talks about the towering activists. we associate with the 60s, dr. martin luther king jr. malcolm x but if there's one thing that animates my sense of the past my sense of myself as an historian. is also really believe that ordinary people. are central to history too? ordinary people who we don't know help us understand whose names. we've never heard of help us understand. the past in a new way an ordinary people in the american past change this nation. so alongside all those famous people who run through the shattering. but i also try to do is tell the stories of ordinary people. what i want to do today. so i just want to tell you. four stories and this is the first one. this is the fourth of july 1961. on the 6100 block of west eddy street in the northwest corner of chicago the day before and cahill and his neighbor clarence mitchell draped their block in

it deals with those people who tried to become president, barry goldwater, bobby kennedy, hubert humphreyern, george wallace, who ran through so much of the 1960s. it talks about supreme court justices. it talks about a general or to. it talks about the towering activists we associate with the 60s, dr. martin luther king jr., malcolm x. but if there's one thing that animates my sense of the past, my sense of my sufficient stories, is they also really believe that ordinary people are essential to history,. ordinary people we don't know help us understand, whose names you've never heard of, help us understand the passed in a new way. ordinary people, the american past change this nation. so, alongside all of those famous people who went through the shattering, what i also try to do is tell the stories of ordinary people. what i want to do today, i just want to tell you, our stories, or story. war stories. and this is the first one. this is the 4th of july 1961, on the 6100 block of west eddie street in the northwest corner of chicago. a day before -- ad and his neighbor, terrence mitchell,

a fabric of republicans in this state, a long history dating from john mccain all the way to barry goldwater. and they are reacting. one person who i want to quote, baird morrison, who worked for blake masters during the primary, says that he hopes that keri lake will, quote, graciously concede. and he says that the lesson of this election tells us one thing. this election tells us one thing. following trump over the cliff will not win elections. and then, i was just talking about that battle between the mccain republicans and the trump republicans. fierce battle we've seen over a couple of different cycles. one of their publicans in the state said that kari lake told a legion of john mccain supporters across arizona that they could go to bleep, tonight, they return at their favor. so, this sort of annexed, what we see is that republicans, those mccain republicans, they ended up fundraising for katie hobbs. we talked to a number of them. many on camera who said that they simply could not stomach the trump republicans, that what they wanted was what mccain represented, decency, honesty, and c

. >> the republican on republican cage matches come nearly 24 hours after arizona, home of barry goldwater john mccain, said no thank you to the well groomed maga heiress, kari lake. her loss was the third of the four state-wide races for republicans and stand as a stubborn reminder that the mega maga party just ain't working, at least in arizona, which has reaffirmed its rejection of trump continuously. in a few hours, the leader of the faltering party, donald trump, is set to look that failure in the face and say, please, sir, may i have some more? trump is expected to announce his third run for president from mar-a-lago where he stashed all those classified documents. earlier today, he was greeted by this banner, look at that. which reads, you lost again, donald. desantis, 2024. joining me now is congressman ro khanna of california, and charlie sykes, editor at large for the bulwark. it's so bad that liz cheney is tweeting redrum tweets, renuking kari lake for losing. she's trolling and she didn't even win her re-election. that's how confident she feels that the maga movement is battere

but barry goldwater was into knoxville to speak at a campaign rally and and they got an advance copy of his speech. and in his speech, he was coming knoxville and was a advocating the sale of tva. well my dad called howard baker and they decided that they were not going to go to the airport for the rally. if if he if senator goldwater said that. and so. guy smith was the republican editor of the knoxville journal, the morning newspaper. and he's the one who got him that advance copy. so then howard baker called everett dirksen and then everett dirksen called the goldwater plane. and got that part of the speech removed from that rally. congressman, can you read about that, this excellent book? yes. from bat boy to congressman. yes, i. i thank you. good. okay great kind of house to. i will say this. there's there are bad people in both parties. i mean, for instance it really bothers me that conservatives, conservative students are attacked on college campuses and that they have to get in extra security when a conservative goes to speak to a young republican or, a young americans for fr

and this happened to gold ward barry goldwater as well. and he decides to sue and he won. i know that he won for defamation. i did not know that he won a million. wow. and i left to look that up. i didn't know that. good for him. i'm thinking, why can't donald trump do the same with this terrible documentary that they have? well, i think his first choice is to get elected president. very good revenge. i think that that the idea of these armchair psychiatrists in going after trump is absurd. the guy is silly. generous. he's different from anybody else. and look at his achievements and understand that he's not a guy. on the other hand, i felt that eric trump had said it best when he said, my dad is a blue collar billionaire. he is really true. yeah. the only other thing. my sister asked me to ask you this question. she watches tucker carlson all the time, like we all do. and there's an article. tucker carlson plays russian puppet. so my sister feels and i do, too, that you don't want to antagonize putin. you know, you don't want to press this button. okay. you don't want to

if you look at fdr's speeches and reagan's speeches and his famous address in support of barry goldwater in the last weeks of the campaign in 1964 reagan is picking up fdr's tips, rendezvous with destiny, you and i, and reagan does the same thing. you and me are having a conversation and that orientation for the future is unusual for conservatives. as a conservative i'm looking to the past and here's ronald reagan thinking about the future and then there's some personal characteristics that make reagan stand out in the pantheon of the american right. a person i really enjoyed learning about and writing about is senator robert taft who is mister republican. representative of the pre-world war ii right, opposed american entry into the nato, robert taft who ran unsuccessfully for the republican nomination several times would be the first to tell you he was not the most charismatic person and conservatives have a tendency to be dour, pessimistic and the world is going to hell in a hand basket. that wasn't ronald reagan. nothing fazed him. so this too made him unusual and also made him i thin