barry grossman speaking to us from bali indonesia. aimed at defending the world's oppress people, he called those frameworks useless, unjust and biased right, he made the remarks before departing for a regional tour, he will first travel to tajikistan and then to uzbekistan to attend the leader summit of the economic cooperation organization. and the military wing of the palestinian. since moven hamas says it has destroyed more israeli tanks in gaza. the gasan brigade says it has successfully hit three invading tanks withousin missiles and south of the gauza strip. resistance fighters have destroyed 15 israeli tanks since they launched the operation alasa flood on october the 7th brigades has also dealt a heavy blow to the regime's military by targeting tanks, bulldozers and armored vehicles in northern gaza since the onset of israel's ground invasion of gaza, around 100. israeli armored vehicles have partially or completely been destroyed, the palestinian fighters also carried out missile strikes against several israeli cities includ

right, back to barry grossman and body, mr. grossman, just earlier you mentioned that this is not a war, this is a slaughter, this is basically asymmetrical. back by the israelis that are being carried out against the palestinians in gaza, so that brings - brings up two different notions that i want you to elaborate for us. one would be that if this is not a war and it's against um hamas is a resistance group then that's collective punishment for all the innocent civilians uh that are bearing the brunt of the lethal and incessant attacks by the israelis and second would be something that uh leader of iran's islamic revolution also mentioned earlier that hamas as a resistance group and not a government or a country has succeeded uh in dealing this heavy blow to the israeli regime, please elaborate on these two notions for us, well that's absolutely correct and it's worth adding that an occupying force cannot get any rights uh flowing from the land and it's it's hold of land that it that. inhabits by occupation, so when we do talk

let's cross over to barry grossman in balli, indonesia, um, same top. mr. grossman a leaked memo obtained by american news website axios revealed that 100 us government employees say israel is committing war crimes. they've also censured joe biden uh for his uh unequivocal support for the massacre that's taking place right now. i want to get uh your perspective on this leaked memo and do you think that the international global awareness and the worldwide demonstrations are are paying off right now? well look there's enough. two of these memores fl around, so there's not just one, there's another one, for example that is referred to in a in a new york times article, that counts over 500 signatories, and there seems to be a third one as well, there's also been in the last week, lawsuit started by a well-respected ngo in the united states against the biden administration, for refusing to take. action to ensure that international law is respected uh as this crisis unfolds and i certainly appreciate what your other guestt is saying about the concerns people have

international lawyer barry grossman joins us now from bali indonesia to offer some more insight on the news that we just had mr. grossman welcome to the program. so three leading palestinian human rights. organizations they filed a war crimes lawsuit with the icc. talk to us about this attempt to see at least some accountability for the israeli crimes and genocide that's being committed against the palestinians in gaza? well all attempts today to to somehow hold um the occupation accountable for its obvious war crimes have largely fallen on deaf years and only led to um, you know, excuses being made and threats against the related institution as to investigate, if this complaint is to the icc is opposed to the icj, suppose that changes things, but the jurisdiction is quite different and the capacity they have to develop to to to to to provide a remedy is quite different, the international criminal court is, universally hated by israelis and for that matter americans who remain upset with the fact that the iccc doesn't do what they're told to do by us security interest in those in israe

bank all right if you could i'm going to put you on hold uh mona and swing over and welcome mr barry grossman international lawyer joining us out of uh balli to the program. hello uh mr. grossman i was a pleasure to check in with you hope you're doing well out there in bailly your thoughts on the ongoing atrostities were uh experiencing and witnessing in the besieg gaza strip the fact there's been no real action toward a ceasefire or a uh truce not even for humanitarian basis and the fact that occupied west bank palestinians are not exempt from said violence, they are being targeted a daily basis by regime forces and settlers. well obviously there's exactly zero commitment on the part of the of the regime, the occupation regime, to wind things back or to do anything which... might appease the calling, the the the rising demands around the world and within israel itself to to stop this this insanity. and meanwhile, not so quietly for those people are enduring it, of course the occupation has been very active in the west bank, and that uh puts paid to the big lie, that the occupation is targeti

for more on that we're joined by international lawyer barry grossman who's joining us from balley indonesia mr. grossman. and uh, i want to pick up on your perspective with regards to the news that we just had, leaked memos are pointing to the fact that uh, even um us diplomats are not happy uh with the way that the joe biden administration has been handling the gauza war, well i mean there's a lot of people that are not happy with joe biden generally and with him specifically or at least his administration with handling of this crisis, there's e quite serious ngo, which he has today commence legal proceedings in order to compel the administration to take proper action in this crisis, but of course that's unlikely to succeed, the courts will rarely interfere with anything the executive branch does in america, and ultimately all avenues of recourse be through the united nations, the... icc or the icj all end up with the security council having either absolute authority or significant authority to to block any meaningful attempts to hold the perpetrators of war crimes, ethnic cleansing, crime