i have mark wes lin from the department of the environment and barry hooper from the department of the environment that can answer questions, as well. >> anybody have any questions? >> you said you want to use the same applications at the state level. does that mean they have to purchase a software application for their computer to use this, sore is there one on a server that they can access that's for everybody. >> the software is a free software made available through the epa. it's called the epa energy star portfolio manager and that software is available for free and we have a -- an implementation schedule that would -- an outreach schedule that would have the department of the environment taking the lead on outreach to businesses to make sure that they've been educated on how to use the software and we've been discussing with pg&e opportunities to educate through classes or specialized technical assistance for those that are not familiar with the software. >> thank you. >> commissioner dooley. commissioner dooley: i have two questions. can you give me an idea of what the average c