did barry lynn, did he start americans united? >> no.ristina: you look good, very red -- barry lynn. 14 pastors in the state of north carolina from the same denomination supported by americans united are suing the state of north carolina. in the state of north carolina same-sex marriage is not legal. what the pastors wanted is their day in court. that is what the freedom of religious act it does. they give a day in court when there is a disagreement. meryl: let's try to get off of rifra. i am going to turn it over to mike. are these cases becoming more difficult? as we can -- as we become increasingly pluralistic, is that becoming -- is that creating anxiety? are we getting to the situation where religious accommodation cases may be difficult for the courts to deal with?

what these pastors want along with barry lynne is their day in court. that is what the religious freedom restoration act does. they give a day in court when there is disagreement. >> like to get off of rfra? >> i thought we want to talk -- >> we want to talk about other things. i will turn it over to mike at this point. are these cases, religious accommodation cases, are they becoming more difficult? are we becoming more, as we become increasingly pluralistic, is that creating a pluralism anxiety as professor kennedy said in his article? are we getting to a situation now where these religious accommodation cases may become really difficulties for the courts to deal with? >> i do think there is more at stake than disagreement on details. there is conflict behind many of these cases. there is a form of modern liberalism that essentially says only the individual and the state are real in any meaningful sense. one of the main roles of the state is to protect individuals against oppression by other social institutions. and then there is an approach that i wo

barry lynn who started americans united. >> it was done to made to please the. >> you look good. so for instance larson the university -- universal church of christ. fourteen passes in a state of north carolina from the same denomination supported by americans united are suing the state because same-sex marriage is not legal. what these pastors want is their day in court. that is what the religious freedom restoration act as. they give a day in court when there is disagreement. >> let's try to get off a referendum. >> at that we wanted to. >> we want to talk about other things. the religious accommodation cases becoming more difficult? as we become an increasingly pluralistic is that creating a pluralism anxiety? and are we getting to a situation now where the religious accommodation cases may become difficult to deal with? >> i do think that there is more mistake here. it only individual and that one of the main roles. other social institutions. and then there is an approach that i would call principal pluralism that says a committee of communities that allow people to seek a vi