barry marshall who cured all sirs' realized it was bacteria and not stress broke what to rule?the ethical rule to do an experiment. to get preapproved all but to win his nobel prize he'd drink a cup full of bacteria and the colleagues had to go with it. "don't ask, don't tell". john: they took samples. he did not even tell his wife. john: but if they goodness. all of these people who were drinking milk ulcers are gone. john: talk about fighting, fraud, lies and deceit? >> there is deceit and fraud going on. 1/3 are committing research fraud. another survey disclosing for themselves. is what you have to do to get the job done. sedated is not replicate. your colleagues are out to get you. you have to work hard. john: my brother is upset about financial disclosure that if there is money to be made it by science. but we want to kill each other and my colleagues will run over their grandmother for the advancement. [laughter] >> absolutely. there is not very many rich scientist. you have your place in fame but it is the discovery. john: why don't people know about anarchy? >> it to t