and retired four star general barry mccafferty as well.r first reaction to the sentence, eight months, is that enough? >> well, i think that he got off very light. i'm sure this is the gentleman that kept screaming lock her up, lock him up, and all of a sudden he wants mercy when he wasn't ready to show mercy on january 6th. so i always say you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. he got lucky and hopefully other judges will not be as lenient as he was this time. >> your feelings -- i mean, if you can recapture what it was like on that day, you as a veteran were trying to help your colleagues and journalists and others, but were you afraid for your own safety, for the lives of the people around you? >> i definitely was afraid for the lives of the people around me. look, it is the closest i've been to what i would say in 15 years, we had a lot of people on the house floor, both democrats and republicans, that i'm afraid would not had survived if we had gotten run over by a mob, especially when they were using bear spray and some of the