in addition, i know that barry nelson and others have said they have lots of ideas that there's things that we can do to ease the pain, and we should be open to that. i think that our planning needs to be open to the input from the n.g.o.'s, as well as the bsca agencies, and they have spent a lot of time on that, as well. i believe there is a change taking place in the thinking on the commission and the part of staff that we need to plan for inextreme flows on the tu -- instream flows on the tuolomne that we haven't before, and we need to be very transparent in doing that. and that's what i'm looking forward to. >> thank you, commissioner. commissioners? i just have a comment. i did have an opportunity to speak at length with commissioner viator. i've been speaking with general manager kelly and supervisor peskin, as well, at length. to your points -- and i want to associate myself with your comments. i think there is some movements. i do think the advocates, the faith based leaders, the fish and game folks, but the workers, the local workers, they're making their points and they're be