barry nolan, i want to get you in here. >> the big problem that mr. romney has is he has it there on his website, where he says what he wants to do is put in place a tax plan that will cut his already historically low taxes and raise taxes on the middle class. he has to sell that to them. >> where does he say he raises taxes? just factually. just factually, barry nolan, where does romney say he's raising middle-class tax pz? what i've heard -- >> romney's tax plan, which has been analyzed by the center -- >> is 20% -- but everybody gets a 20% marginal tax rate reduction. i'm just looking for facts here, barry. you used to work for the joint economic committee. you used to be engaged in facts. >> and the fact is -- >> i don't see where you get a middle-class tax hike from romney's plan. >> the center for tax policy analysis looked at romney's plan and look -- it's hard to do these things because people come in so many different flavors economically. but what they found was typically people that make $40,000, $50,000 a year will have their tax rate go u