and this would be like barry rn i low commenting on beethoven. i have a smattering of in these things. i did work on the researching and writing of his memoirs from 74 to 78 and i worked with him again in 1983 on doing producing and conducting about 38 hours of interviews which were to abvideo biography based on his -- based on the memoirs. but that was a long time ago, and so i'm not really an expert in, as you're about to see, in '83 in those interviews. the president told me two things that i think are relevant to today's panel. one is that he didn't have much -- wasn't much interested in psycho historians. because all psycho historians are psychos.ore i go on i should say thanks certainly to mel small for writing this or collecting and editing this important book, and to the library and the miller center and to the archives for making all of this possible. joe's comments. the 27 pages of