um we were going to have barry sussman here the watergate editor. he'd agreed to appear and sadly he passed away earlier this month so our condolences especially to the family who i understand is here. um, so uh, larry, let me start with you you worked with with uh with barry. could you tell us a little bit about him and uh about his role in watergate? yeah. um i do want to say a word about. barry barry was like the quarterback that every football team would like to have he was calm he was smart. he had great instincts. and he asked great questions. uh, he didn't give orders he made suggestions. and most of the times his suggestions were brilliant or at least very good. every once in a while like winston churchill he had a bad idea, but when he had a bad idea. he was willing to his ego didn't get in the way and you could talk him out of it. uh barry unfortunately until they died didn't get the full credit that he deserved for the role that he he played. he really directed the post coverage in the early days. and uh you may not get this in the movie.

barry sussman, the city editor was the most hands-on editor. a brilliant conceptualize her and agitator and you know, it is such an important lesson. one he taught us. we work all day, work sometimes until nine or 10:00 on a story and then sussman would say let's meet and we'd say you want to meet and he said we have to meet and think about the next day. we just don't go blindly into the next day. where are you going, what are the leads? what's the story? and that ability to kind of get attempt to wind and say let's meet was really important to the story and the sense of pacing the story and making sure he was involved in directing us but also we were self directing in many ways. particularly you. you're the most self-directed person i ever met. >> let me ask you this and that is of all the stories you did and that early stretch when you guys were basically out alone on the story are there a couple that stand out in your mind either for the significance of the revelation or the sheer shoe leather that wentinto producing them ? >> there are two