bart barber says he stands by that today.on is not -- is not to police everybody's sex life. our interest with abortion is that we believe that's a human person who deserves to live. there was just the case recently, a 10-year-old girl who's raped, barred from having an abortion in ohio. was able to obtain one in, in indiana. i mean, this is a little girl who, she has a right to life too. sure. >> even in that case you think she should have the child? >> i do. >> she should be forced to have the child? >> i think, um, i don't want that to sound like i don't have tremendous compassion for her and her circumstance. i wish we could put an end to 10-year-olds being raped. i'm trying to work against sexual abuse because i think that's atrocious. >> but you don't see forcing a 10-year-old child to go to term with a baby from rape, as abuse of a child. >> i see it as horrible. i see it as preferable to killing someone else. >> not surprisingly, barber and the sbc, oppose same-sex marriage. >> we're committed to the idea of gender is