. >> rose: bart giamatti once said to me-- and others-- he thought eight to ten years is about the right time to be the head of an institution because at some point in that process you're responding to what what you've already done rather than initiating new things. >> i agree. and in addition to that the learning curve gets far less steep and learning is very, very important to me. but beyond those personal conversations, institutions require fresh ideas and one risk is that people who are running them conflate themselves with the institution if they don't leave at the appropriate time. >> rose: is there one performance, one act of performing art that you saw or heard that was l stick in your mind forever? >> well, there's one person who does and that's audra mcdonald. >> rose: really? >> for me, audra is the quintessence of lincoln center. juilliard school graduate who's performed on every stage, five time tony award winner, now the personification of "live from lincoln center." audra reflects for me so much that is wonderful about our place. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> great to