charlie: the late bart giamatti, who was president of the national league -- president ofs the leagueut he becausee amerian league sox.e red [laughter] ursula: don't go there. charlie: growing up in the lower east side of manhattan, you weren't a red sox fan. damn yankees. there is this. he said after eight or 10 years, and that is a short time, you sort of are beginning to repeat yourself. ursula: and i actually believe it and see it not only in my career but on board, and it is not that you can't keep going and do well. you are not going to drive the bus off the road or into a ditch. the question becomes at that point, can you differentiate and review organization. can you do it? there is a point where it is hard to change, so i think that when you get to that point, it is a really good idea, particularly if you have good candidates inside and say here it is. you know. it's yours -- take it. charlie: thinking about your successor is difficult to do. ursula: it is one of the most important things. there are three constituents you have to worry about -- worry about you become ceo for