one of our intrepid producers, we have a lot of them up here, lisa jansing just caught up with bart stupak to ask him the latest on negotiations. listen to what happened. >> reporter: congressman stupak, hi. tell me, do you have a deal? >> not yet. >> reporter: how close are you? >> we're not -- there are different parts to it. we're trying to get it done. >> congresswoman debbie wassermann schultz said some of your colleagues who were with you have agreed to this so far. >> well, i don't know her source of information. >> reporter: how close are you to a deal again? >> getting there. getting there. if i can get in my office maybe we can get it done. >> reporter: there you see him going right back in the door trying to get to work again. it's specifically what he's working on is language for the president to sign an executive order making very clear that there would be no taxpayer funding for abortion and that is ultimately the goal of bart stupak, he says he has about a dozen of his colleagues, they think that the way it was written legislatively in the bill it doesn't make it expli t exp

bart stupak from michigan among them. what are you hearing?upak, for example, to vote yes in favor of the senate bill? >> reporter: the answer is they are working on it but they're not there yet. bart stupak himself just told our lisa jansen he is still a no. however, he has been working with lawyers from the white house and even met with them this morning. and what they're working on to bring bart stupak over the line is an executive order, by the president obviously, that essentially restates the law, and the law being on abortion that there would be no taxpayer dollars used to fund any abortions. that's really the bottom line for bart stupak and he and maybe about seven at the point, seven other anti-abortion democrats simply say that they don't trust that the way that the language is currently written in the senate bill, which is what they're going to vote on, goes far enough in making that clear that that's the law of the land. so because the house speaker has said he's not going to get any more votes on the house floor today, the comprom

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>> wolf, i haven't spoken to bart stupak directly. i have spoken to other members who are also concerned for the same reasons that bart stupak is, so from the conversations i've had with them, the language is being finalized and once finalized i believe that will bring us over the -- at 216 if not over the number that we need. but we're still working diligently outside of those -- that group of members to make sure that we address the concerns and answer any questions for other members that might be there. >> as someone who supports abortion rights for women and i know you are in the forefront of that battle are you okay if the white house makes a side deal in effect with congressman stupak and theeer and t eeother antiab democrats making this language tightening? >> it's not a side deal and not language tightening. it would simply from what i understand as a pro choice member restate that the hyde amendment is in effect, no federal funds will be spent to cover abortion in the health care reform legislation, which is what we've been s

bart stupak had five members with him. he is the guy who flipped at 4:00. it was an amazing deal, but when i watched him explain his vote, it looks like it was a hostage to take it he was a guy who was out of his lead, took abuse that was unbelievable, left and right. in the end he caved. but it was not a thing that in any way was inevitable. >> i thought he got an executive order. >> he did get an executive order. >> give me a break. >> the very people disparaging this executive order overlook the fact that when george w. bush signed an executive order with stanzel research, this was a noble act -- stem cell research, this was a noble act. the emancipation proclamation was an executive order. bart stupak got what he thought was needed, assurance that the hyde amendment would not be affected in any way by anything in this legislation. we can argue back and forth what the nuanced meaning is. the president of the united states's word is on the line. besides -- if there is federal financing of abortions at junior high monday morning, we will know that the pres

from the left, stop bart stupak.hat is it like to be you at this moment where you're getting political pressure from both sides. >> well, both sides are mad at me i guess i did the right thing. when you do legislation, when there's -- there's got on a common ground, and i was able to reach it honoring the principle of the sanctity of life and maintaining it and still pass health care. you know, the pro-life democrats that stood with me courageously until that sunday and we got our executive order to protect life, they're a courageous bunch of members. i was proud to stand with them. both goals accomplished. stood on our principles, protected life and health care. every one of us voted for health care in the fall. wanted to see health care pass. so we got both goals accomplished. >> you say protected sanctity of life. as you flow, some of your friends in the republican aisle who have worked with you many times on anti-abortion issues say the executive order is a sham, it's not worth the paper it's printed on. listen t

basically bart stupak had been talking with the white house and the executive order the president agreed to sign according to mr. stupak is sufficient for him and a handful of pro-life democrats who had objections and now they believe they can vote for it because the executive order and their view will eninsure that taxpayer money will not go for abortion related services. this has been his singular issue for weeks and he talked about what he considered a triumph this afternoon. we've always said most of us at least that we were for health care reform, we wanted to see health care reform, but there was a principle that meant more to us than anything, and that was the sanctity of life. >> there was a block of democrats who have fiscal objections, saying that the health care bill is irresponsible. the social democrats, the social issues like bart stupak coming around, at least some of them, but the pro-life community is largely unpersuaded and there have been complaints from national right to life and others and pro-life republicans were quick to go to the mic's this afternoon and condemn

if it was a member of congress i would denounce it. >> you know bart stupak., it doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree with somebody making a statement. we are a place where decorum historically is maintained. that includes the statement that you mentioned earlier about while the president was speaking. quite frankly it includes the president calling the justices out when he was a guest at the house. we've got to get back to the expectations of the people in the house of representatives and it has certainly failed to be reached. >> someone who supports a woman's right to have an abortion, how worried are you about this whole colloquy and the executive order the president will sign basically saying there will be no funding, federal funding for abortion? >> as a pro-choice member of congress i think we have simply maintained the is eed status qu changed any either direction the way we handle abortion coverage. look, at the end of the day, wolf, this legislation, any time you can cover 32 million americans and get $143 billion in deficit reduction it's a w

>> this was the deal with congressman bart stupak of michigan.t is an agreement that the president will issue an execive order stating that no federal money can be used for the abortion procedure. this mollified tupac had he voted for it. -- qualified stupak -- mollified stupak. >> many say that the executive order does not change anything. is that true? >> there is some merit to that. i think that bart stupak felt that he may had to -- may have had to cut some sort of deal. shell is not clear exactly what is and -- so it is not clear exactly what is and what is not going to happen. >> let's talk about the bill, not the politics, but the content. six months after being enacted, no insurance company can drop someone if they get sick. no insurance company can limit the amount of coverage to get in a lifetime. children can stay under their parents' plan. they are 26 years old. >> that is right. those are significant changes. the question is whether it will raise health care costs for everybody else. if insurance companies have to cover everybody, th

we have of the executive order signing on the abortion thing about a concession to congressman bart stupak yes vote and other right to life congressmen who were similarly assuaged as a result. that's all we got. no television cameras were allowed. >>> the stupak abortion deal turning into a good deal for the republican running against the congressman. congressional candidate dan benacheck is getting 16,000 new facebook friends and a bump in donations. we invite bart stupak on and he declined. doctor, what has this meant for you? >> hi, neil. thanks for having me on. it's been a rapid change in my life, i'll tell you. we were watching the -- the bart stupak on tv and michigan state on the other channel and as soon as the speech was over, the phone started ringing and it's been a zoo ever since. >> neil: all right. how much of that is on the whole abortion issue, doctor, and how much is on just a big package that has a big price tag for which americans are concerned about the big burden? >> well, i think a lot of people are very upset about flip-flopping on abortion. >> he says he did not fl

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congressman bart stupak from michigan released specific phone calls and faxes.e been a couple of other incidents from other lawmakers who have reported this. and officials are investigating all of these. what about this issue down the line and how it plays out and what about it? >> i'm sure a lot of this is trumped up, the way of the unruliness of some of the crowd on the day of the voting in the house was trumped up. you are always going to have a kook and a nut here and there. it's being used by supporters of obama care to tar opponents with threats, violence, being unamerican in general. i think it ought to be denounced as the republicans have. it should be. but it's not reflective of those who oppose the bill. >> bret: nina? >> i disagree, charles. i mean, these sound like real threats. people -- and it risks the credibility of the opposition to let these threats go without answering them. i was pleased to see that boehner and others answered them today. i think they are going to need to answer them because the passions do run high. there is a sense among so

you had congressman bart stupak making a passioned plea to reject this motion to recommitment we are back with our panel steve haze amy stoddard charles scott hammer. it was an interesting speech by stupak on the floor. >> it was a poignant moment. here is a man who for a month or two has been leading the fight to get strong anti abortion language in he lost and only a few hours ago. he accepted the president essentially a letter a blog entry. meaningless. in the speech he gave now supporting the language and the president's statement next to it he accused the people who were on his side of disingenuous that is a remarkable switch. i understand the pressure he was under. i understand in the end why he gave but i think if he had simply admitted he was losi cho the lesser of two evils he might have done better rather than rae assure the former supporters that protect the anti abortion bill. >> i thought stupak speaking was great. somebody thought for a long time took a principal stand. what he did here was a political hack job and it was extraordinary he was working with us. congressman

it came on the heels of the abortion compromise led by bart stupak. d the bill's fate and made stupak a hero to some and a villain to others. joining us now, democratic congressman nick rahall from west virginia. he along with congressman bart stupak decided to vote yes on the house bill after the president's promise of an executive order on abortion. what is your response to the decorum first off? >> most unfortunate. it only served to polarize the american people and to polarize congress. these charges against representative stupak are unfair. several members of congress voted for this legislation and have been pro life our entire congressional careers and i think it's important to recognize this is one of the most pro-life votes we could have cast in my congressional career because we protected unborn, the uninsured and underinsured. >> for those that look at this and wonder what exactly changed with the executive order from the president relative to the stupak amendment which was the original sort of mark, if you will, can you explain to us why you

we've received more audio tapes of threatening phone calls to bart stupak's office after the democrat'sision to vote yes on health care reform sunday night. listen to this. >> stupak, you murderous scum bag pile of steaming crap. you and your family are scum. you ought to fill your pockets with led and jump in the potomic. that's what you are, stupak. a piece of crap. we despise you and every punk like you, stupak. get off our property! >> wow. let's discuss this and more with our cnn contributors, donna brazile and roland martin. you know, you hear that kind of voicemail, you know, you get nervous. i can understand why capitol police right now, the leadership, the house, they're worried about what's going on. >> you know, wolf, i was a congressional staffer when we debated the first gulf war. i was on capitol hill during many other debates. i've never seen anything like this. i believe what stenyhoyer. >> we're speaking to congressman clyburn in the next hour. he's coming over to "the situation room." i know he's worried. roland, give us perspective on. john boehner has issued a strong

also, i wonder if there has been any investigation on part to pack -- bart stupak and the money that he paid -- that religious cult -- to pay for him. i also thought that religion was not supposed to get into politics. i am wondering why these senators are able to put their views on a certain matters in politics and be able to get away with it. host: several points. if someone years of something, they can contact this office of the ethics? guest: actually, no, they cannot. only members can filed against each other and they will not do it, for the most part. where people can file is with the office of congressional ethics. they will accept complaints from the public. as for the c street matter, we are looking into that. if bart stupak was only paying $600 in rent for many years, that is something that we will be looking at. host:, many people do you have in your group? guest: about 13 people here, two in colorado. host: talk about what is going on in these offices. guest: we keep this information on our website, but there are about 15. most members of congress are good people who came

let's listen to bart stupak getting heckled. >>> those who were shouting are out of order. >> now, weentified who this person is. >> it's congressman neugebauer. >> republican from texas. >> right. and he says he wasn't yelling at stupak, he was just yelling in general, i guess, at the legislation, or at the theories, i don't know who he conceivably was yelling at. but talk about breech of decorum. >> richard, have we erased this, whatever -- there used to be some barriers that you just didn't do. you know, whether it was we stop calling people mr. and mrs., and now it's so easy for people to show up and throw names, call people names. >> i guess it's a mirror to society and also a mirror to the political discourse that goes on now through all the blogs and twitter and everything else. people find it much easier to be direct. but i think there is a political element to this, which is that they're expressing the anger they're hearing, and the question is, does it speak to anyone other than the base? do you actually appeal to people with this kind of anger, this kind of gut feeling? and

bart stupak voted against going to war in iraq. he's voted against a lot of these terrible free trade agreements. he's not the worst guy in the world. he just really opposes abortion. these compromises are always made. and the most important thing is that we're here today screaming and yelling about it. and i'll tell you why. every bit of social progress in this country has come in what's best referred to as reform moment. a moment when the country is ready to do something on slavery, on child labor, on the horrible construction of our economy during the great depression era, on civil rights. there's always a reform moment. >> moyers: social security. >> social security. >> moyers: there was a huge fight. huge, ugly fight. >> absolutely. and so, there's always going to be a reactionary force that says, "don't do anything." and then there's going to be a sort of a moderate force that says, "well, the country's ready to make some change, let's do it." the essential element, i will argue, and i don't think it's so self-focused or self

and the man who got pummeled for voting for the bill, bart stupak and we will talk to him. >>> and he achieved health care that no other president has, and will voters reward or punish president obama, and what about nancy pelosi and the rest of the democrats? republicans say it is an albatross around their neck, and we will talk all sides on 360. >>> first up, history and what it means for you and your family and the country, because whether you support the bill or not, you can agree with this, there is not a moment like this before many of us were born. >> on this vote, the yeas are 220 and the nays are 211, and the bill is passed! >>> well, that is the moment in the house late last night when they passed the senate version of health care reform in a package of fixes to it. president obama is going to sign the bill tomorrow. he will also push for the senate fixes and then head out to sell americans on it, because as you know, plenty of americans don't support it or know much about it, but last night for the president, it was a very sweet moment. >> tonight's vote is not a victory fo

bart stupak, who supported healthcare reform so disturbing phone calls to his office and now five democrats who voted against healthcare reform. a effort to heave them out of office. fox on top of reports the white house and unions are teaming up to target democrats who shifted their healthcare votes from yes to no. my next guest is one of them. massachusetts congressman steven lynch. good to have you. >> good to be with you. >> what do you know first off, sir, that you are or might be a target or that because you switched your vote for different reasons, we're going to get into that, they want you out? >> well, look, we've received our office and myself personally, because i answer the phone on some calls, you know, the calls have been hostile and i think it's fair to say abusive but i don't feel threatened to the degree mr. stupak or mr. cantor might feel right now. i don't feel threatened. i've been threatened on other bells but not that -- bills but not that one. the language and hostility comes through loud and clear. >> besides the ones that might be physical threats on you, which i h

it's part of a deal he made with pro-life democrats in the house led by michigan congressman bart stupakce exchanges to be offered by the states that have an abortion offered. that got stupak and other members of congress to vote in favor of the bill that the president signed yesterday. since some people will get federal subsidies so they can afford the insurance, there was concern the money could indirectly fund abortions under the executive order, no health plan will be required to offer coverage for abortion in plans that do cover abortion, policy holders would have to pay for the coverage separately and that money would have to be kept in separate accounts from taxpayer money and states could ban abortion coverage in plans offered through their exchanges. now, that is frankly, not enough separation for some pro-lifers. they plan to challenge the executive order in court. it is too much separation for some pro choice lawmakers. though the white house says it really doesn't diverge from existing practice. the fact it's an executive order has troubled some members of congress. stupak re

bart stupak, the guide said we were showing conviction, i put fear in your life.congressman, the screen told viewers they were watching witness to jonestown. coverage of john boehner "the mind of manson." at the end the guide said viewers were watching "the squeeze." thank you for those who watched this. special thank to everyone who watched msnbc yesterday afternoon and last night. that's our show for this monday. i'm david shuster live in washington. "the dylan ratigan show" is up next. congressman john dingell whose father offered universal health care back in 1953. he'll weigh in on the big health care reform victory from last night. >> imperial billiards made custom pool tables. now they have pellets that account for 50% of their business. for more, watch msnbc on sunday mornings with "your business." at&t covers 97% of all americans. that's right, 97%. which means you can talk, text, email or go online from almost anywhere. so whether you're in portland, oregon, or portland, maine... washington, d.c., or seattle, washington, or somewhere in between, at&t has

president obama versus his own party and representative bart stupak.think wins in all of this? we had representative gao on. this issue is one i can't compromise on. abortion. >> president obama, let's assume he wins, democrats get the health care bill. huge win for obama. huge win for nancy pelosi. not a terrible loss for john boehner. they have a campaign issue. bart stupak, stood by his conscience, lost legislatively. >> john boehner and nancy pelosi, if you can call this. >> why are you doing this to me? both of their aides are going to call me yelling at me. >> let's talk about the president. we saw the president filling out his brackets. last year in better political times he was a winner. and this year everyone is saying oh, my gosh. it could turn out to be a big political upset like all of the games down to the wire and upsets. people are predicting this could be an upset. >> just like he has taken ownership of his picks, health care for president obama is his initiative. he can't push it off on republicans. we saw the white house talk througho

i salute bart stupak and the college behind me.i salute the president for truly being open and listening to pro-life issues, listening and taking in the fact our concerns and acting on them. it is a great day for america. it is a great day for the unborn and the uninsured. >> i am from cincinnati. i am proud to be a pro-like legislate or and i am proud to cast a vote today in favor of a strong pro-like bill that is about health care reform, about ensuring the uninsured, and standing up for the unborn. the president took a small step to date. the president will be listening -- releasing the text of an executive order which is sweeping. it clarifies for all that this help bell does not provide public funds for abortion. that was critically important to all of us. to make sure that that was crystal clear to the american people. and with this executive order, it will be clear to the american people. i join my colleagues in thanking bart stupak and all of the pro- life democrats here as well as others and our caucus, and thanking the pr

bart stupak was called a baby killer on the house floor. the mood is ugly out there. fallout. one thing president obama gave up forever last night, the idea of being a post-partisan president. is there any hope of the two parties working together or will every fight look like health care? also, truth and lies. what's really in the bill and the top lies about health care reform. finally, you haven't heard anything until you heard congressman devan nunas of california. >> today we are turning back the clock. for most of the 20th century people fled the ghost of communist dictators and now you are bringing the ghost back into this chamber. >> believe it or not, nunas didn't stop there and we the rest in the side show. we start with the passage of health care reform. let's go to the white house now with linda douglas who is the communications director for the white house office of health reform. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> what's ryour level of concer or nervousness that the senate doesn't give what you you need to make this a closed deal? >> i think the cou

lawyers and drafted language and gave it to president obama afternoon and signed off on it and bart stupak his press conference, when the vote is held, bill, you will see that not only will this pass comfortably, but you'll learn that stupak's coalition of pro-life democrats was not essential to its passage. the white house did this executive order to give itself padding. so no house democrat would be the 216th and only 216th vote to pass. >> bill: sure. >> and what does that mean, bill? it means that republicans can't in the mid term point to a swing democrat and say you were the one that put this across the finish line. >> bill: a pretty smart move, carl, as far as getting the pro-life democrats in line. they got the cbo numbers to give the fiscal democrats some cover so the way they played it, the white house played it was pretty shrewd, was it not? >> let's be realistic, bill. they wanted to get this thing done in august of last year and they had to give up a lot. the democratic left feels as though they're getting maybe a third of a loaf. this was the project that was supposed to brin

if they're so proud of this deal they cut with bart stupak why not let reporters in?happened to transparency here? >> because, as the president said, the speaker said, the majority leader, as democrats for a long time, this is about health care not abortion. the fact that they're going to do something which makes that clear that there is going to be no change in the law isn't important to the central debate. we've just achieved one of the most momentous of legislation in the country's history. that should be the focus. they signed it and they found common ground. that's really what governing is all about. >> john, do you want to weigh in? >> i don't think they're ashamed of it. i think they want to put it away because it got them where they needed to go which was bart stupak changing his mind and passing the legislation. i do think they don't want to talk about it anymore because they want to talk about other stuff but this executive order is not worth that much in my view and i think in a lot of the people in the pro life movement. >> and what about bart stupak? are

this one for bart stupak. in arizona, shattered glass marks the offices of gabrielle giffords. ian kan., a tax on local democratic party offices. -- in kansas, attacks on local democratic party offices. >> let's start getting nancy ready for the firing line. >> sarah palin tweeted do not retreat. relo honor facebook page, cross hairs marked 17 democratic congressional districts she wants defeated. >> when people start talking about putting people on far and wide or the put a target on their faces with cross hairs, that activity should be unacceptable in our democracy. >> there are republicans who agree. >> violence and threats are unacceptable. >> a lot of heat from both sides. some senate democrats will try to use these threats to their advantage by demonizing republicans. as you heard, and encouraging americans to turn that anger into something positive, registering voters are working on it campaign. courtney robinson, abc 7 news. >> thank you. >>> president obama begin selling the landmark health-care reform bill. the president will talk about what the bill means for america

. >> you turncoat son aveof a -- >> this has been fort belvoir bart stupak. shattered glass marks the offices of congressman difference. attacks on local democratic party officers. >> we have received calls in our offices, people threatening us and our staff. >> democrats are saying republicans are spurring the threats. sarah palin tweeted common sense conservatives, reload. cross hairs marked 17 democratic districts she wants to feed. >> when people start talking about putting people on firing lines, they put a target on their faces with cross hairs. that activity should b unacceptable. >> there are republicans who agree. >> violence and threats are unacceptable. that is not the american way. >> someone in virginia, a gas line at the brother of a congressman. one office requested increased patrols around her home. courtney robinson, abc 7 news. >> thank you. >>> president obama hits the road to begin selling health care to the public. the president much talk about what the bill means for americans during a visit to the university of iowa. >>> the house has p

michigan representative bart stupak's vote helped democrats get the health care bill he once opposed passed. on wednesday, stupak released some of the of the vulgar voicemails he's received. >> congressm stupak, you baby killing [ bleep ]. you [ bleep ]. >> reporter: so far ten congressmen have been targeted. we are told some senators as well. there are some democrats who feel like republican lawmakers hold some responsibility for what's going on because no one has denounced any of this violence. no arrests have been made. i'm tracee wilkins, live on capitol hill. pat and joe, back to you. >>> new charges in the road rage case along i-95. both drivers involved are now locked up. state police say 25-year-old gabriel povetund got into an altercation with a dump truck driver on southbound 95 and fired shots at the truck. povetund had his 2-year-old daughter in his jaguar at the time. he faces child endangerment and attempted murder charges. he's due in court for a bond hearing today. the truck driver, james bringham, was also arrested last night. he faces an attempted second degree murde

any moment now the president is expected to make good on his promise to pro-life congressman bart stupakgn an executive order reaffirming federal funds cannot pay for abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or if the life the mother is at risk. no media allowed. but official white house photographer will be on hand. there is no doubt about it. the healthcare debate fired up this country like nothing in our recent history. amid that passion news of some troubling reports. racist slurs allegedly hurled at black lawmakers and even a claim that a protester may have spit on a congressman over the weekend. but has the media been too quick to claim that racism is behind the protests. what is the answer to that question? >> there are two issues. one is what happened that day, and two is your question, how is the lame stream media handling the story. if what happened that day is what's reported, it's reprehensible period. it's just interesting -- i'll do this briefly. with all the cameras out there and all the audio equipment, nobody has produced the audio of these racial slurs. and i spoke to

bart stupak can't have it both ways. >> but there's no language in this bill that says federal moneyed to pay for abortions. >> here's the key. here's a little caveat though. the reason the hyatt amendment was passed in 1976 was because if you specifically don't exclude it, it can be included. and that's the language it wasn't in there. that's where -- what the president did doesn't trump federal law. otherwise we won't need courts and we wouldn't ned legislatures. you just need a presidential directive. that's not the way laws are done here. >> that fight has made strange bedfellows out of people who oppose abortion and people who support abortion rights, both angry at the action that bart stupak and the president took on that issue. congressman, i appreciate your time today. thank you for joining me on a saturday. >> thanks, contessa. >>> ahead next hour on msnbc, sarah palin's turning up the heat and turning up the volume on her political battle cry in support of her former running mate. she's speaking at a mccain rally in a little more than an hour and we're following that live.

bart stupak stood by his conscience.vely. >> real quick, john boehner and nancy pelosi, what do you think in if you can call this one, the two top seed guys here, what would you call? >> why are you doing this to me? both of their aides are going to be calling yelling at me. >> real quickly you saw the president filling out his brackets. it was very interesting. do we still have that video? now, listen, last year in better political times as you said he was a winner. and this year everyonetion saying oh, my gosh, it could turn out to be a big political upset like all the games have been as i said buzzer beaters and down to the wire and upsets. a lot of people predicting this could be an upset. >> just like he has taken ownership of his picks right there, health care for president obama is his initiative. he can't push it off on republicans. we saw the white house, don, talk all throughout the past year that the banking crisis, the housing crisis, the economy wasn't his fault, it wasn't his. well, in fact health care is h

the president's executive order in the minds of bart stupak and others clarifies that's not possible but the white house says that was clear before the order was struck. >> so you do it for politics? >> you do it because it was necessary. that was the implication robert gibbs left. when asked the legal necessity he couldn't come up with an answer but there's an obvious political necessity. the order has been signed and the white house would prefer to move on. >> shepard: major garrett, live at the white house. while major was giving that report, producers were telling me that steny hoyer, the ma quart leader, has held a news conference and given disturbing information to the media. we just learned members of congress, according to steny hoyer, are getting death threats as a result of their vote on healthcare. not in a joking way, members of congress getting death threats because they voted for the healthcare reform bill. our producer will turn that around and we'll have a live report and bring it to you fair and in context in just a moment. >>> developing now, a important meeting at

pelosi and some pro choice democrats who told fox news that another vote on the stupak language is not going to happen. bartmr. stupak was supposed to at some point have a press conference and that was delayed. so this must be what's going on behind the scenes. we'll continue to watch that. now, when it comes to how much this will cost you at home, you don't want to miss fox news sunday tomorrow. now, chris wallace is going to talk to two people who know how to count the number on the hill. house republican congressman paul ryan on both the house budget and the house ways and means committee will be with us and democratic congress woman debby wasserman schultz, part of the house committee and lrp whipping up health care votes. that's tomorrow morning on fox news sunday and of course you check your local listings for the time and channel of fox news sunday. there is so much else going on around the country we are going to break away from the health care coverage to talk about some other things. north dakota residents keeping an eye on rising water one year after flooding hit the state and watch the video, se

. >> reporter: it was anti-abortion democrat bart stupak's 11th hour deal that gave house democrats the ability to pass the health care bill. >> listen to this. >> stupak, you are a lowlife baby killer pile of crap. >> think about this, there are millions of people across the country who wish you ill. all of those thoughts projected on you will materialize into something that's not very good for you. >> reporter: he's gotten faxes like these, images of a noose and nazi sx insignia. stupak is hardly the only one being threatened. the office here and louise slaughter. >> someone hurdle a brick through my district off fins the dark of night. >> reporter: whoever threw that brick is a mystery but one person encouraging it is well-known. f mark wrote a message on his blog last week, if you wish to send a message that pelosi and her party cannot fail to a hear, break their window, break them now. >> and yet, he urged further action. >> i'm advocating broken windows and i suppose, vandalism. >> reporter: house members are so concerned about security, leaders called an emergency meeting with th

how hard is this for you to battle this with bart stupak? >> well, the congress is a place where we represent our people and where we serve our conscience. i strongly disagree with bart but he was my friend, he is my front. we hunt and campaign together. i'll try to show him the error of his ways and see to it that we beat him on this. because this is a matter of the utmost humanitarian and economic concern to this nation. >> how about your father who preceded you in the house of representatives, john dengell sr., what would he think of this bill? >> well, i think he would be pleased with this bill. this bill is not everything that dad would have wanted. nor is it everything that i want. but it is a significant step forward. it is an important solution to a massive american problem. something where we're seeing 18,000 people a year die for want of health insurance and 45,000 people go into bankruptcy every year because of health care costs. >> what you wanted, sir? was it a single payer program? >> you are absolutely right. and i still think

another news drawing, this one sent to the office of congressman bart stupak. his office getting nasty voice mails. take a listen to this. >> congressman stupak, you are one big piece of human [ bleep ]. think about this there are millions of people across the country who wish you ill. >> stupak, you baby murderer, that's what you are. you and your family are scum. you jump into the potomac. >> with me to talk about this, "time magazine" senior political analyst mark halpern and gloria borger. guys, gloria, you start, what's going on here? >> i think we've been talking about the polarization of our politics for the last year since barack obama became president. now what you're seeing is a controversial bill that gets passed, a lot of anger. you're seeing a lack, to my way of looking at it, of leadership of our elected officials to get together and tell the people who follow them enough is enough. this is not the way we want to behave. this is not the way you should behave. when you have somebody on the house floor yelling baby killer when the health care bill g

carol costello has that. >> reporter: some conservatives made michigan congressman bart stupak a verb, definition, betrayed. for some, that sense of betrayal from a man who is pro-life is visceral. these kinds of calls have been coming into stupak's d.c. office since this weekend. "you're a cowardly pupg, stupak. that's what you are. you and your family are scum." go to hell, you piece of [ bleep ]." >> this one shows a noose with the words, "all baby killers come to unseemly ends, either by the the hand of man or by the hand of god." the calls and letters kept come as stupak and other pro-life democratic law makers surrounded the president as he signed an order he says confirms the ban on federal funding for abortions in the new health care law. >> it was very joyous. after the president finished signing it, we all clapped. >> reporter: ohio congresswoman marcy kaptur experienced pushback for her support. >> there were a lot of individuals who didn't want this bill at all. i think that's where some of this is coming from. >> i'm never going to quit speaking on behalf of the unborn. >

democratic congressman bart stupak of michigan says he actually opposed the health care reform packagend but then actually flipped on it when the administration agreed to take federal funting out for artions. in the meantime, the capitol hill police here are asking that any of the members of congress give them a call if they receive threatening e- mails or threatening phone calls. we are live here on capitol hill, sarah simmons, fox 5 news. back to you. >> thank you. >>> president obama meantime will forge ahead on selling the new reform law on the american people. mr.obama gives a speech in iowa later today. that is one state the president might not be visiting too soon. virginia is one of 14 states suing the federal government over the new law. the commonwealth has become the first state to enact its own law against the federal bill. governor mcdonnell signed legislation which states that virginians cannot be required to buy health insurance. >>> more charges in a road rage case in virginia. the driver a dump truck involved has been hit with an attempted murder charge. this all start

. >> i talked to bart stupak the other night and bart stupak the other night said laura, no one is reporting this, for every two they peel off we peel one or two off. the thing is definitely in flux. i don't think you would have seen the president out today, dick, in campaign mode as he was -- >> it is five to four now, laura. >> jew wouldn't have seen obama if campaign mode so huge today. he was whipping it up. if this was a done deal why do all the campaign stops and bring out the healthcare soberhouse stories as you saw with one of the democrat vote switchers if this was was a done deal. i think they want to create an restructure and narrative of inevitablity. >> what obama probably wanted to do and pelosi wanted to do is every hour or two hours announce another switch to yes to build up the sense of inevitablity andvans deflate the grass roots and have them stop doing phones and stop sending in money for ads and phone calls. but that is not working because he has been able to produce five switches and we have been able to produce four going the other way. i believe that what is happening

ones with adjusted numbers, henry waxman, bart stupak, saying we want to see how you arrived at that matt. they now how. >> of course they do. this senate bill, 3590, was never intended to be the final product. it was a draft product and they fully intended to go to conference on it with the house version and maybe if they had done that, and not done this reconciliation mishmash, trickery, then they would have caught this or realized there was a significant problem here with 3500 companies, employers, across the country that were providing a prescription drug benefit for retirees so they didn't fall into the medicare program, which was not beneficial to the recipients. >> neil: i have to stop you. you're emersed in this and no it inside and out. the gist is companies that provided this subsidy used to be a tax-free benefit, it's taxable next year, hence they have to label this hit. the fact that so few have gone out and said anything in decision, with the exception of prudential financial because of hauling c.e.o.s before the committee, is that intimidation? >> i think it is, neil. l

. >> reporter: michigan democrat bart stupak released hate-filled phone messages. >> you and your family are scum. you ought to fill your pockets with lead and jump into the potomac. >> reporter: this address had reportedly been reported on a conservative activists message with a message to stop by. it's connected to tactics by republicans to slow things down in the senate. >> the process that got us here has been ugly. >> reporter: republicans accuse democrats of ignoring the public. >> the arrogance is palpable, palable and inexcusable. >> reporter: anger and frustration vividly displayed and over the line. >>> well, after eight months of high-level negotiations americans and russian officials have reached a historic deal to slash their nuclear arsenals. the treaty is seen as an important milestone in lowering the risk of nuclear proliferation. the two nations represent 90% of the world's nuclear weapons. the accord will replace the strategic arms reduction treaty of 1991 also known as s.a.l.t. and also will have them reducing their launchers to the lowest levels. they're expected to s

we're hearing that bart stupak's 11:00 a.m. stern time press conference has been put off indefinitely. you might remember, stupak is the man who was raising serious concerns about the abortion language in this bill. he was saying that it was not strict enough, and, you know, they're trying to make sure that the house leadership at least can get stupak and maybe about six or eight others who are of a similar mind, pro-life mind on this, to get their support. the problem with that is that whatever concessions you make to that group, then you tick off the pro-choice group and back and forth we go. interestingly enough, we're learning right now that stupak's 11:00 a.m. press conference scheduled, like i say, 20, 25 minutes from now, is now off for the time being. our rich edson is following this. rich, what is going on? >> reporter: we're hearing the latest that the stupak language, that congressman stupak wanted to include in this, he wanted tighter abortion funding restrictions and it appears congress is not going to put them in a

also, congressman bart stupak, a democrat from michigan, has reported getting threatening voice mails as well. he was originally against the health care package and late are flipped and voted for it. in the meantime, capitol hill police say they are ask all lawmakers if they receive any kind of threats at all to please let them know as soon as possible. we're live here on capitol hill, sarah simmons, fox 5 news. back to you. >> virginia has laid the ground work if a bat we'll i federal government over this issue. >> yesterday, governor bob mcdonnell signed a law saying virginians do not have to buy health insurance. it is in direct defiance of one of the biggest change put in place by the health care reform law. >> virginia is also one of 14 states that is suinthe federal government over that new law. tom fitzgerald has more. >> reporter: virginia governor bob mcdonnell firing the first shot in a state's rights battle over a key part of the new federal health care law. the issue, can the federal government mandate citizens purchase health care. >> we have not been able to find any pre