like, let's say bartok, for example, you know?e's quite rock n' roll, with his concerto no. 2, concerto no. 1. >> bartok is rock n' roll? >> absolutely. >> i remember reading that you were describing what you see. when you hear music, you're seeing in your mind what you're playing. how do you do that? >> for music, everybody has their own kind of tricks, you know, how to get into your heart. whether it's through - kind of the imagination of the pictures, of - or you're reading the scores. and for me it always works with the - the - the emotion, emotion approaches. approaching through - pictures. and movie motion pictures. i see landscapes, i see the themes from the movies. and i see, i just see a lot of things. and colors, and this - somehow it's - even though i'm actually looking into somewhere. but, actually, my vision are not there. >> i am struck by your life and your experience, almost at each point in your life, as an outsider. coming as an outsider to each point, that is you come from - a northern industrial city in china.