joining us now is barton gellman staff writer at "the atlantic" who is the author of today's cover story "january 6th was practice." mr. gellman, it is a pleasure to have you here. thank you for terrifying me once again. thank you for making time to be here tonight. >> thank you for having me on and for reading my stories. i don't want to publish anything else. i only want you to read my stories aloud. >> anything you publish i will read. i'm telling you and i will read them out loud for the most part i will promise you. let me ask you in terms of the elements i chose to read and present on the air let me ask you if i have the important bits or if there are other pieces of this you feel you want a front page and make sure people understand here. >> you've honed in directly on the most important points as usual, and you've been following this stuff as closely as none. the other big chunks of the story go into detail about what's happening in the states, but they also focus in on some individuals. i spent a lot of time with this firefighter in new york who is a trump supporter and believes

it is offered by barton gellman, barton gellman staff writer at the atlantic.our time tonight. again, this is terrifying, but it's required reading. really important stuff. thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> much more ahead tonight, stay with us. stay with us debt? move to sofi and feel what it's like to get your money right. ♪ ♪ move your student loan debt to sofi— you could save with low rates and no fees. earn a $1,000 bonus when you refi— and get your money right. ♪ (vo) for fourteen years, subaru and our retailers have been sharing the love with those who need it most. now subaru is the largest automotive donor to make-a-wish and meals on wheels. and the largest corporate donor to the aspca and national park foundation. get a new subaru during the share the love event and subaru will donate two hundred and fifty dollars to charity. like pulsing, electric shocks, sharp, stabbing pains, or an intense burning sensation. what is this nightmare? it's how some people describe... shingles. a painful, blistering rash that could interrupt your life for weeks

for the win win. >>> all right, back with barton gellman."the atlantic," you talked about you questions your role as a journalist and the question of objectivity, i'm curious to ask you about that again and here you follow-up on it. >> terry surprised me with the question and i sort of blurted out a answer. and i don't regret it. it's uncomfortable for me to talk about the way my role has changed as a journalist in these recent years. because, i grew up with trying to keep myself out of the story, to keep my opinions out of the story, to take no side when one side is fighting with another. and i realized that there are at least two things that journalists are allowed to be for and to defend. one of them is the truth. and one of them is the fundamental tenants of democracy, the people get to make their own choice of who leads them. we are in favor of that. we are pro democracy. >> you are allowed to have that take. >> allowed to have that opinion. >> there's a hot one from bart gellman. >> and the problem is we have one party that is pro demo

staff writer barton gellman wrote the piece, and he joins me now.ton gellman, welcome back to the newshour. we appreciate you being here. i have to say this article is full of eye-popping information. but the title alone catches us up short. what do you mean by "trump's next coup"? >> i mean that january 6 was not an isolated event, that it was part of a coherent plan and conspiracy to overthrow the results of the last election, that went on for considerable time before and after january 6. and that republican operatives working on trump's behalf are now methodically looking around at all the places where trump's first plot failed and looking to reinforce them, looking to remove obstacles that prevented trump from succeeding last time. >> woodruff: and what are some examples of that that you go through in this piece? >> well, one example is that they're seeking out all of the public officials, some of them elected officials, some of them nonpartisan administrators, who said no to the coup last time, who said no we won't change the vote count. we won

barton gellman, thank you. i hope people read this. out in "the atlantic" where you warn that january 6th was only a rehearsal for a much more serious coup attempt next time. thank you, barton. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> president biden speaking with vladimir putin for two hours today. we're going to take you inside the most consequential video chat on the pandemic so far. >>> plus new data released on just how effective the covid vaccine is against the new omicron variant. she took new mucinex instasoothe sore throat lozenges. show your sore throat who's boss. new mucinex instasoothe. works in seconds, lasts for hours. [♪] did you know, you no longer need to visit a dermatologist to get access to top skincare ingredients? introducing dermageek featuring top dermatologist recommended ingredients and 0% fillers. dermageek's new detoxifying facial serum contains twice the amount of beta hydroxy acid. it delivers two times more exfoliation for brighter skin, with dermatologist tested levels of hydration. get top derm-ingredients at

. >> margaret, the question there, and we heard from barton gellman, is this enough? this will be the first time around that the pre-clearance, the old rule where you had to get permission from the justice department to go ahead and attempt to redraw the districts like this, the first time where that's not going to be in play because of a supreme court decision from back in 2013. so what biden -- what the attorney general, merrick garland, is saying is, basically, this redistricting never could have occurred if our justice department had the ability to say no. so i think it is going to be a real test of what kind of teeth the justice department has to have fairness. although the growth in texas has been almost entirely driven by non-white population growth. mostly by hispanic and latino population growth. the districting plan does not reflect that. the question that is going to be litigated now is, is that okay? can politicians rule the day, even if it means running against all of the demographic patterns that are driving this growth? >> people shouldn't expect an ans

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