al qaeda achieved more since the death of bland sinc basha bin laden than during his lifetime. haven't wanted to achieve what we wanted to achieve. our job should be to make the ideology of islamism as unattractive as soviet communism has been today and that's the idea of the debate. >> we wish you well, it's an incredible debate. doing. thank you for your time. >> on july 14th, 2003, a column in the washington post revealed the identity of valerie plane, effectively ending her career with the cia. she wrote and autobiography, and has worked with global zero. now she has authored a new spy novel called blow-back. joining us is former cia agent valerie plame. valerie. >> thank you for having me. >> your work with the cia, now at global zero, all have connections to iran. the number of countries that now have nuclear weapons have grown since you left the cia. are you hopeful that proliferation will stop? >> i am hopeful. i think more and more nations are realizing that nuclear weapons belong in the dust bin of history, that they no longer provide the security that they once did,