bashar al asaad cannot be the future of syria. we are already working with all of the countries, although they don't have the same sense that turkey, iran, those countries the united states, france, and of course, all of those who are meant to find a submission, we must work on that transition. the transition, where bashar al asaad -- he has been the problem, so he can't be the solution. >> just a comment very quickly. we have a coalition. of 65 countries who have been active and pushing back against isil for quite some time. france has been a central part of that coalition, as have the european countries, arab countries, countries as far flung as australia, and countries in southeast asia are part of that coalition. russia right now is a coalition of 2. iran and russia supporting asaad. given russia's military capabilities and given the influence they have on the asaad regime, them cooperating would be enormously helpful in bringing about resolution of the war many syria, and allowing us all to refocus our attention on isil. but

said that france must decide whether it is opposed to the islamic state, isil, or opposed to bashar al asaad himself. does france really have to make that choice? >> this is a must have, because the president said yesterday very clearly that the enemy is the islamic state, and al quaida. so he didn't speak of bashar. so in fact, as you said, earlier this year, i met bashar i can tell you that he was prepared to cooperate with france to fight terrorism, but of course there was the principal that he could not give up the means that france should recognize the government, that means to have again, diplomatic relations with hamas. so i think today we are just facing where we are. it means to fight against the enemy, described by allan as being the islamic state, we are to let's say, give way to our posture and resume relation with them. it doesn't mean, that of course, by having diplomatic relation, that we are supporting bashar in all aspect of it's policy. but it is necessary, i think at the sometime. >> that will be a huge change in policy. when you went to see him earlier in the year, he was

turkey says that the biggest problem is president bashar al asaad. he has to step aside and then the rest will be easy. russia says that no one has the right to ask asaad to go only the syrian people should do that in a referendum. americans and the international coalition against isil i think will step in in the coming days and try to have the turks and the russians agree on how to move forward, because that would be the only way the fighter against isil and to find a permanent political solution to the crisis in syria. >> until now we don't know the fate of the second pilot. he may have been killed for more we will talk to them. >> the russian aircraft violated the air space and it was brought down in the mill area. the pilot was shotted be i the opposition fighters. he was shot while trying to land when he was killed. >> where did it happen exactly. >> it was on the right of the mill area. near an area called the northern big river. >> i have heard he may have been killed but we don't know act the second pilot, his fate sun known. >> turkey's pres

. >> but the coalition is unglued over the sticking point of whether syrian president bashar al asaad needs to be removed. russia still supports them, and has been accused of bombing anti-asaad rebels. >> so we have the western led coalition bombings, and then we have russian led coalitions. involving iran, involving the asaad regime. so those two sides have to come together on the issue of fighting extremism. >> does it expect it would be a war winning strategy the leader of the opposition party says he would not support bombing but would allow them to vote their conscious. he may have a better chance now. >> seven attacks so far this year, have been thwarted in britain and directly linked to isil. refugees are flooding europe, driving the debate about what to do, and a u.n. security council calls on member states to take on necessary measures against the islamic state. cameron promises in british combat troops and says air power has vital muscle that they desperately need. >> also his argument, that the unique capabilities on the royal air force tornadoes, the raptor, and surveillan

against the islamic state, it is also targeting other groups opposed to bashar al asaad. rosalyn jordan is standing by us, she joins us now. well, this test that took place at noon local time, another nine g.m.t. was basically designed to make sure that the american and russian fighter pilots could actually talk to each other on a certain radio frequency. according to a pant gone spokesperson, the test took about three minutes to conduct, and it's part of this so called deconflict agreement that was reached in the past couple of weeks between the u.s. and russia, just so that their pilots would not get into their way or some sort of confrontation. it is the rule of the skied agreement. they say they wanted to make certain that everything was working as well as could be. so it's not a matter of alarm, it is actually according to the pentagon the way this memorandum of understanding is being implemented. >> rosalyn jordan with with the latest from washington, d.c., thank you. meanwhile the u.n. is warning of a looming crisis of statelessness it's refugee agency says that ar

one of the most forceful questions came from a reporter that asked both presidents when will bashar al asaad be gone in syria? >> both presidents deferring say the focus is on diplomacy, they don't want to get side fracs. there are have been people that have said yes, while the president, the white house called for the ouster of asaad that has not been the focus of the white house policy, when you look at it as a practical matter. much more forcefully, many of the gulf countries. be somewhat critical of the united states, in regards to that effort. so the bottom line here, francoise hollande he met with david cameron yesterday, here at the white house today, he will be meeting with angel merkel tomorrow. vladimir putin on thursday. the chinese liter on this weekend, so to build unity, continues now here at the white house. >> for us at the white house, that is the site president over your shoulder, so we will let you get back to doing what you do so well which is covering the story that is unfolding. joining me in studio, is professor edward aronsohn, he is the director of french studies at